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Old 10-23-2020, 09:46 PM   #7541
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Keystone XL is the democrats little playtoy that they hold up and knock down for their supporters every four years. "We need to get rid of Oil, starting and ending with KEYSTONE XL AND CANADIAN OIL!!!!!" *audience goes wild, followed by approving as many American pipelines as possible. Ugly, ugly stuff, lapped up by dummies.


edit: I shouldn't say ugly stuff, it's just protectionism, which I'd be more okay with if their citizens actually said "yeah, we want to destroy you and send your people jumping off buildings so we can continue to be the worlds Oil power" instead of not knowing or pretending that destroying foreign Oil is for the environment. ****ing liars.
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:48 PM   #7542
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W.T.F.

Seriously, this is quite a crazy rant based on what I said. I know oil is important to Alberta, but the writing is on the wall, and has been for a while now. Move to a different source of income before it directly affects you all. Don't become Venezuela 2.0.

You think that is a crazy rant? You don't honestly think the US fights against foreign Oil and then produces Oil at record rates because they're trying to change the world to a more environmentally friendly one, do you?
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Old 10-23-2020, 09:54 PM   #7543
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https://financialpost.com/commoditie...-said-anything


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America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010

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While TransCanada Corp. has been cooling its heels on its Keystone XL proposal for the past six years, the oil pipeline business has been booming in the United States.
Crude oil pipeline mileage rose 9.1 per cent last year alone to reach 66,649 miles, according to data from the Washington, D.C.-based Association of Oil Pipe Lines (AOPL) set to be released soon.




While the northern leg of Keystone XL remains under review, the Lower 48s have seen new oil pipes crisscrossing the country.
“If you look at 2010 versus now we have seen historic realignment that has transformed the infrastructure situation,” said Afolabi Ogunnaike, analyst at Wood Mackenzie. “There has been tremendous investment in pipelines and more investments are coming on.”
The U.S. midstream infrastructure is responding to a near-doubling of U.S. production over the past six years. The U.S. saw an 11.6 per cent increase in crude oil transport via pipelines in 2014, according to AOPL data.

This isn't QAnon stuff CaliFlamesfan, it is fully available info that the US under Obama held Canadian Oil up as the boogey man to stop Oil production and consumption and then went into overdrive to produce and supply the void.
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It's simple self-protectionism. Alberta and Canada needs to do the same. It's not America's fault that they don't want to buy Albertan oil.
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On another note...(please let's get off the fossil fuel discussion)...Anthony Scaramucci was on Bill Maher tonight extolling the virtues, or at least considering the virtues, of Andrew Yang's UBI. He's a big Wall Street guy talking about socialism. The Mooch said this.

That should give everyone a significant pause to consider what's on the table. When the big business guys are saying that we need UBI to protect the interests of the population, that should be sobering.

I've been on the fence about UBI for a while, but I might be swinging into that camp soon. I wonder how long before everyone else does as well.
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I found the concept of an 8000 dollar hoodie as that's what it was really more obscene and immoral than the theft, granted he was boosting it to feed his drug habit, nothing particularly noble about that
I was trying to stay out of this but I totally agree

Imagine wearing an $8000 hoodie when people literally freeze and starve to death. If you have that much money you don't know what to do with buy 160 $50 hoodies and donate 159 of them
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It's simple self-protectionism. Alberta and Canada needs to do the same. It's not America's fault that they don't want to buy Albertan oil.

Yes, perfect. I'm actually glad to hear you say you understand that American environmentalism is actually protectionism and that democrats and republicans are both in this to ramp up and win the Oil game in the coming decades.

Most won't admit that, unfortunately. And to your second point, Canadians are too stupid to do the same. A combination of lack of understanding and falling to the might of American protectionism and the money behind it.


EDIT: I'm a little confused though - You want to end dependence on Oil, but then understand that America is protectionist and actually ramping up production because they are smart and suggest Alberta needs to do the same. But don't you not want this to happen?

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On another note...(please let's get off the fossil fuel discussion)...Anthony Scaramucci was on Bill Maher tonight extolling the virtues, or at least considering the virtues, of Andrew Yang's UBI. He's a big Wall Street guy talking about socialism. The Mooch said this.

That should give everyone a significant pause to consider what's on the table. When the big business guys are saying that we need UBI to protect the interests of the population, that should be sobering.

I've been on the fence about UBI for a while, but I might be swinging into that camp soon. I wonder how long before everyone else does as well.
The devil is in the details though. Same thing with a national min wage. Is it the same across the country? What amount do you set it at that doesn't let everyone in small town Alabama live like a king, and not even move the needle for someone in NYC? There's already an EIC that gives a lot of money to single parent and single breadwinner working families. If they ditch that and replace it with a UBI, are those people now worse off?

Oh and why would a Wall Street guy be against it?
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Like I said, I'm still on the fence, but the case is being made that some version of it will be necessary in the future.

I'm not sure what you mean by the last point. I'm sure there will be benefits to a consumerist economy that would be a big boon to Wall Street as well, but I can't imagine that traditional capitalist would be in favor of what is literally socialism enacted.
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Yes, perfect. I'm actually glad to hear you say you understand that American environmentalism is actually protectionism and that democrats and republicans are both in this to ramp up and win the Oil game in the coming decades.

Most won't admit that, unfortunately. And to your second point, Canadians are too stupid to do the same. A combination of lack of understanding and falling to the might of American protectionism and the money behind it.


EDIT: I'm a little confused though - You want to end dependence on Oil, but then understand that America is protectionist and actually ramping up production because they are smart and suggest Alberta needs to do the same. But don't you not want this to happen?
I think that it's pretty clear. It's the same stance that Alberta and Canada should have. Make as much money on oil as you can, while you can, but understand that by 2060 or 2070, the demand could be halved; so be ready.

Be prepared for a shift, but exploit the #### out of it in the meantime. Call it environmentalism.

You are right that Canadians are too stupid to do the same. There is no way to sugarcoat it.
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Like I said, I'm still on the fence, but the case is being made that some version of it will be necessary in the future.

I'm not sure what you mean by the last point. I'm sure there will be benefits to a consumerist economy that would be a big boon to Wall Street as well, but I can't imagine that traditional capitalist would be in favor of what is literally socialism enacted.
Efficiently giving everyone a pauper wage to spend is not going to redistribute wealth or cause a Wall Street type any heart burn. How does that all play out? Does that mean the big corps can pay their employees less because their lives are being subsidized?
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I mean, sorta, sure, I don't know how it all plays out. All I know is that there will be a significant portion of the population that could use that money well to pay bills and buy necessities without worry.

I'm not an economist, so I don't pretend to understand all the ins and outs, but I think that the system as is will require more social safety nets than we currently have to keep the population from revolting. Ugly, but true.
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Since Sacha came up earlier in the thread, I thought it appropriate to include this bat#### interview.

God bless Sacha. Nobody is willing to push comedy the way he is.

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So the guy behind Trump at his rally tonight continually flashed a white power symbol throughout his speech...nobody removed him
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Since Sacha came up earlier in the thread, I thought it appropriate to include this bat#### interview.

God bless Sacha. Nobody is willing to push comedy the way he is.

Not sure Kimmel realized what he was signing up for with a Borat interview. Jimmy thought he could awkward laugh his way out of Sacha's antics.

I love how the daughter actress didn't hold back either.
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The one thing Canada should take from the Trump Presidency is we cant rely solely on the US as our market for anything, the real issue with keystone is we didnt bother to build the infrastructure to ship east and west as well so the US gets to decide our fate
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"didn't bother" is an interesting way to put it I guess
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"didn't bother" is an interesting way to put it I guess
I've lived here since '85 and its only in the last decade anyone has even thought about expanding the pipeline through BC that I'm aware of, we could have had that thing in 30 years ago before anyone gave a crap with a modicum of foresight, same with the lack of domestic refinary's, we've been happy to let the US look after us, its the hewers of wood outlook that plagues Canada

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It's simple self-protectionism. Alberta and Canada needs to do the same. It's not America's fault that they don't want to buy Albertan oil.
Just wanted to give you props CPF for taking on the Alberta Energy gang. You made some solid points.
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