[PGT] Oilers 5 - Flames 3 - EDM leads 3 -1

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t see sutter going away from Marky but there are no shortage of examples of nhl teams abandoning their starter in the playoffs and riding their backup.

I know they exist but I'm drawing blanks. What are some situations? I'm wondering if any of those starters a Vezina finalist in that season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Buff

I know they exist but I'm drawing blanks. What are some situations? I'm wondering if any of those starters a Vezina finalist in that season.

And the backup never started a playoff game in his life.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Can’t believe how many fair weather fans there are. Y’all are more pathetic than you think the team is.

I don't think you can call fans of a team that have been a huge failure for 31 of the last 32 years fairweather.

I don't think most fans need Stanley cups, but the team showing up would be be nice. I'm definitely planning to dial back my time and money spent on this team, even if they win in 7.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I let this team affect my mood a little too much (in the post season).

[djsFlames]

Wasn't Binnington the backup or call up at the time?

Raanta is Anderson's backup in Carolina. Mind you, they're not being given an option.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Wasn't Binnington the backup or call up at the time?

Raanta is Anderson's backup in Carolina. Mind you, they're not being given an option.

Binnington took the net in the regular season, then obviously was a stud in the playoffs.

[sa226]

The Markstrom post mortem will have to happen in the off-season. You absolutely cannot go to Vladar. Especially since Markstrom has shown some fight back after gaffes. He gets 6million for a reason, you've got to live and die by him.

It really sucks that he had that opening minute gaffe. If that doesn't happen they win that game. You could tell it rattled an already fragile group.

Yeah sure they had 58 minutes to fix it, but it changed the whole complexion of the game. Markstrom gaffe-obligatory Oilers PP......bam 2-0 and they had to chase the rest of the game.

Their 5on5 play was stellar, still some individuals who need to step up, but this group has always been greater than the sum of their parts.

I hate hanging players out to dry but Markstrom was supposed to be the ace in the hole for a Flames team that had one of the best goal differentials in tbe league, the best line in the league and one of the best checking teams in tbe league. The whole idea was "We're going to score enough, we're not going to give up much and if those break down good luck beating Markstrom"

Well those 3 pillars have come crumbling down pretty fast this series.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I don't think you can call fans of a team that have been a huge failure for 31 of the last 32 years fairweather.

I don't think most fans need Stanley cups, but the team showing up would be be nice. I'm definitely planning to dial back my time and money spent on this team, even if they win in 7.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I let this team affect my mood a little too much (in the post season).

You are going to dial back your time and money if they get to the final 4 of 32? Maybe your expectations are too high.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sa226

The Markstrom post mortem will have to happen in the off-season. You absolutely cannot go to Vladar. He gets 6million for a reason, you've got to live and die by him.

This mindset feels like conceding.

You have to look past what you're paying him and see the play itself.

Intellectual honesty, as Jay Feaster once put it.

That, and Gaudreau were perhaps the only things he got right.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The Kane goal was deflected by his own defenseman. Not a weak goal.

It wasn't tipped directly in front of Markstrom and he wasn't screened. Maybe it wasn't a "weak" goal per se, but it definitely is one that Markstrom would like to have back. Wasn't a good goal to give up.

[sss1]

Everyone wants to take a big dump on Markstrom, which is deserved I guess.

But what really stinks for me is the Tanev situation. I have very little confidence that playing him in the top 4 with a mangled shoulder is going to help this team win 3 straight.

I almost don't want him in the lineup at this point.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sss1

Everyone wants to take a big dump on Markstrom, which is deserved I guess.

But what really stinks for me is the Tanev situation. I have very little confidence that playing him in the top 4 with a mangled shoulder is going to help this team win 3 straight.

I almost don't want him in the lineup at this point.

What? Why.

He played fantastic last night

Not like the Oilers even play physical. Have to be in the bottom 5% of teams in that department.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

This mindset feels like conceding.

You have to look past what you're paying him and see the play itself.

Vlad is not a particularly good back up goalie.

To beat the Oilers, the Flames likely need their goalie to play at a level that is likely not within Vlad. Playing him would indeed be an act of desperation, and is not Sutter's style.

They will need to die with Marky if necessary.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Buff

I know they exist but I'm drawing blanks. What are some situations? I'm wondering if any of those starters a Vezina finalist in that season.

Probably not many Vezina finalists who get benched. And I’m sure some didn’t result in a cup run.

Pitt and Fleury/Murray? This is the only one I’m reasonably sure of. Fleury wasn’t playing good and they brought in Murray and won a cup.

Actually I think the Pens did it more than once. I can’t remember who the other backup was.

Washington and Holtby?? I think one year they benched him for a few games and then went back to him. Or started someone else to begin the playoffs and then went back to Holtby.

Montreal and Halak?? Was price hurt?

Carolina and Cam Ward?? Don’t remember the exact circumstances.

Plus some other instances where injuries forced a goalie to play like Pitt and Domingue this year. They lost but he did pretty well.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Just going to reiterate my thoughts from the GDT.

It's just an entertainment product with guys employed by these brands going out and doing their jobs. No point in letting that affect you too much. Also, whichever team wins, any fan that uses that to try shaming a fan of the other team is just showing that they're kind of a twit.

Disappointment is natural, but it's not worth letting get you down. If you're not having fun, forget about it. We're heading into summer. Go enjoy that instead.

This post should be stickied somewhere.

I like hockey for entertainment, but you should never live vicariously though other peoples' successes (and failures).

Fill up your own bucket, then use hockey as some entertainment sprinkles.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by sss1

Everyone wants to take a big dump on Markstrom, which is deserved I guess.

But what really stinks for me is the Tanev situation. I have very little confidence that playing him in the top 4 with a mangled shoulder is going to help this team win 3 straight.

I almost don't want him in the lineup at this point.

Tanev played very well last night. In fact, Calgary played well enough to win, it really was a 50/50 game.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I don't think you can call fans of a team that have been a huge failure for 31 of the last 32 years fairweather.

I don't think most fans need Stanley cups, but the team showing up would be be nice. I'm definitely planning to dial back my time and money spent on this team, even if they win in 7.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I let this team affect my mood a little too much (in the post season).

This exactly. Someone doesn't know the definition of fairweather fan. Many of us have been pretty diehard for 15-20 years. We can be upset at what is happening in this series.

[CroFlames]

The Holtby example kinda proves the opposite point.

Caps tried their backup for two games, then quickly went back to the starter, Holtby, and won a Cup.


You ride Marky here.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Vlad is not a particularly good back up goalie.

To beat the Oilers, the Flames likely need their goalie to play at a level that is likely not within Vlad. Playing him would indeed be an act of desperation, and is not Sutter's style.

They will need to die with Marky if necessary.

13-6-2, 2.75.

He's the best backup we've had since Kipper was briefly a backup in 03.

Where are these make-believe narratives coming from?

The thing i like most about Vlad is his ability to bounce back from period to period too. He's started games iffy and then made saves when he needed late to close them out. He's a good goalie.

This isn't ####ing Joey MacDonald were talking about.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by sss1

Everyone wants to take a big dump on Markstrom, which is deserved I guess.

But what really stinks for me is the Tanev situation. I have very little confidence that playing him in the top 4 with a mangled shoulder is going to help this team win 3 straight.

I almost don't want him in the lineup at this point.

I honestly thought Tanev was pretty good yesterday. His presence seems to impact the team positively, despite the injury he used body position really well 5 on 5, he engaged and played his angles at the right times knowing he couldn't do some things physically, his smarts really shined IMO yesterday. Saying all that, I wouldn't play him on the PK where engaging somebody in front of the net and jockeying for position is a constant.

[AFireInside]

nm double post.