Edmonton is No Good Episode 4: New Rink, Same Stink

[McG]

I just don't know what the oilers have to negotiate with on the contract.

Collie McDoggie did everything that could have been asked of him.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by McG

I just don't know what the oilers have to negotiate with on the contract.

Collie McDoggie did everything that could have been asked of him.

It's as others in this thread have suggested. Camp Connor will receive any type of contract they want. If they want a long-term deal where he gives up money to be on a contender, they get it. If they want max dollar at any length, they get it. The issue for Oilers is how many people in the room does Connor listen to.

[Roof-Daddy]

Isn't Orr McDavid's agent?

I'm not sure what his track record is like as an agent, but hopefully he's a hard ass and not a card carrying member of the NHL's old boys club, chumming around with Gretz, Nicholson and Chiarelli and the like.

I'd certainly feel better about the odds of McDavid bending the oilers over if he had an agent like Winter or someone like that.

[Vinny01]

Sounds like McDavid is going to go the 5 year route which buys a single year of free agency. Crosby, Stamkos, Toews, Kane, Malkin all went this way.

The Oilers risk losing him at 25/26 but also would be in position to sign him for 8 years for his 26-34 years which should be his absolute prime.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Isn't Orr McDavid's agent?

I'm not sure what his track record is like as an agent, but hopefully he's a hard ass and not a card carrying member of the NHL's old boys club, chumming around with Gretz, Nicholson and Chiarelli and the like.

I'd certainly feel better about the odds of McDavid bending the oilers over if he had an agent like Winter or someone like that.

I believe the main reason Orr became an agent was to ensure that his clients don't get exploited by their agents the way he was exploited by Alan Eagleson.


Orr is also Ekblad's agent and his second contract definitely wasn't "team friendly". Last year Ekblad signed for 8 years @ $7.5 million after only two seasons and with the Calder Trophy as his only NHL award.

Right now (pending any new contracts signed this summer), Ekblad's contract for next season will see him be the 4th-highest paid defenceman in the League, with the 7th-highest cap hit. He's at least five years younger than every other top-paid defenceman. Of the 31 defencemen with cap hits of at least $5.5 million for next season, Ekblad and Hamilton are the only ones under 25 (and Ekblad's cap hit is almost $2 million higher than Dougie's).

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by getbak

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Excellent post, and in my mind, anyway, cements McDavid's 2nd contract salary range somewhere between $12.5M and $14.5M. There is just no reason for him to sign for less, unless he truly loves that team/city so much that he is willing to sacrifice millions annually to give them a better shot at contending, trusting that Chiarelli would put those saved millions in the right place.

[CaptainCrunch]

The Orr hockey group is definitely player first, and Connor is going to put all of their grandkids in new houses.

They also have Taylor Hall as a client and he didn't take a home town deal from Edmonton.

The Staal brothers and Cam Ward and they really didn't take team friendly deals.

Plekanec and Sharpe didn't sign team friendly deals.

Plus the Orr group is like a who'se who of agents

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sounds like McDavid is going to go the 5 year route which buys a single year of free agency. Crosby, Stamkos, Toews, Kane, Malkin all went this way.

The Oilers risk losing him at 25/26 but also would be in position to sign him for 8 years for his 26-34 years which should be his absolute prime.

A players prime is normally in their early 20's. By 26 most players are already on their declines.

[Realistic]

I hope McJesus doesn't take any discount to "help" the Coilers. The ONLY reason he is there is because of their mismanagement. he owes them nothing and needs to look after his best interest and not Daryl Katz.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Realistic

I hope McJesus doesn't take any discount to "help" the Coilers. The ONLY reason he is there is because of their mismanagement. he owes them nothing and needs to look after his best interest and not Daryl Katz.

I don't believe there is any such thing as a "discount" insofar as NHL contracts are concerned. In the last decade's history of UFA/RFA negotiations we see a fairly well-worn pattern of players signing in the expected range of market value, regardless of whether they have extended with their current team or moved to a new organisation. Posters can point to a number of deals in which players might have left a few hundred-thousand dollars on the table as signs of "hometown-" or "competitive ensuring-discounts," but I believe that these figures tend to be largely negligible. As far as I can recall Alex Burrows might be the only player to have signed a bonafide "hometown discount" in 2009 when he extended with the Vancouver Canucks for around HALF of his probable open-market value, in a transparent effort to ensure that the Canucks remained competitive.

All this to say that McDavid will not come in under the Oilers' cap for anything more or less than $500,000 on the projections that getbak has forwarded. I expect something as high as $14.0 m, or as low as $12.0 m depending on the term. Anything under $12.0 m is likely an Oilers fan-pipe dream.

[Locke]

Well, one thing we can all agree on is that McDavid isnt going to have to take a discount for a No Trade Clause.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fire

A players prime is normally in their early 20's. By 26 most players are already on their declines.

To be fair, that doesn't usually apply to elite players.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To be fair, that doesn't usually apply to elite players.

I actually think that applies to elite players more than regular players.

Guys like Crosby and Ovechkin scored the most they will ever score in their early twenties.

I think non-elite players are more likely to peak offensively in their late twenties as it takes them longer to work up the depth chart.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

To be fair, that doesn't usually apply to elite players.

I think even for elite players it does apply.
take any 25 elite players in the last 25 years and I would say the vast majority of them begin to decline in their mid to late 20's.

they sure as heck are not hitting their primes in that time frame. continuing to play great hockey, but not ascending to their apex.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Realistic

I hope McJesus doesn't take any discount to "help" the Coilers. The ONLY reason he is there is because of their mismanagement. he owes them nothing and needs to look after his best interest and not Daryl Katz.

How much money does Katz make off the McDavid name on a yearly basis? There is no way he's going to let him go without paying top dollar. McD will call his $$ and term and Katz will be flush in all of the ripped jeans and pre relic'ed work boots that he can handle.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Ohhh my gawd please let this happen:

http://www.theoilersrig.com/2017/05/...nis-wideman-2/

[Realistic]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Ohhh my gawd please let this happen:

http://www.theoilersrig.com/2017/05/...nis-wideman-2/

That would be so awesome! If you think the Oilers whine now about the refs!

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Realistic

That would be so awesome! If you think the Oilers whine now about the refs!

Love how the article kicks off by suggesting that DW would make some sort of difference against anahiem! He was right here you guys we could have traded him to you. It does explain why Calgary had no luck against the Ducks....

[Weitz]

The best part of Calgary Puck is I can read a bunch about McDavids contract that literally no one on the internet, tv, or print talks about. Its great!

I had a liquid lunch today.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fire

A players prime is normally in their early 20's. By 26 most players are already on their declines.

Only to fans' perspectives because their salaries are now higher, and they 'are what they are'.

Absolutely true for point production, but not for overall player quality and contribution to team winning.