09-28-2020, 12:17 PM
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#1
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Flames re-sign Justin Kirkland (1 yr, 2-way, $700k NHL AAV)
https://twitter.com/user/status/1310644239550656512
makes sense, he gives them assists in bulk quantities
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09-28-2020, 12:32 PM
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#2
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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You always get good value with the Kirkland Signature.
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09-28-2020, 12:34 PM
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#3
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All I can get
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Came for the Costco reference. Leaves satisfied.
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09-28-2020, 01:10 PM
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#4
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Burmis Tree
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My son played against Justin in Bantam, he is a good player, I would like him to take a few more steps.
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09-28-2020, 01:42 PM
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#5
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Lifetime Suspension
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Cap friendly currently has it at 700k, but it is not official. his QO was 735k, so it could be that, unless he took a lower AAV for a few more AHL dollars.
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09-28-2020, 01:55 PM
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#6
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crown Royal
Cap friendly currently has it at 700k, but it is not official. his QO was 735k, so it could be that, unless he took a lower AAV for a few more AHL dollars.
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Wouldn't be surprised. Also wouldn't be surprised to see a "blended contract" where the player has set NHL and AHL salaries but also has a guaranteed minimum salary.
For instance, he might be set to earn $700k in the NHL and $200k in the AHL. Those salaries are calculated daily, so every day the player is in the NHL, he earns money at the $700k rate, and every day he's in the AHL, he earns money at the $200k rate.
Blended contracts allow for a minimum total salary that's higher than the AHL salary a player would earn if he stays in the minors for a whole season. For instance, if a player has a minimum guaranteed salary of $300k on a $700k/$200k contract, and the player isn't on the NHL roster for enough days to bank a cumulative total salary of at least $300k, he gets paid out the difference at the end of the season.
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09-28-2020, 02:10 PM
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#7
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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Press release has NHL salary at $700k.
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09-28-2020, 02:38 PM
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#8
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Niceland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Wouldn't be surprised. Also wouldn't be surprised to see a "blended contract" where the player has set NHL and AHL salaries but also has a guaranteed minimum salary.
For instance, he might be set to earn $700k in the NHL and $200k in the AHL. Those salaries are calculated daily, so every day the player is in the NHL, he earns money at the $700k rate, and every day he's in the AHL, he earns money at the $200k rate.
Blended contracts allow for a minimum total salary that's higher than the AHL salary a player would earn if he stays in the minors for a whole season. For instance, if a player has a minimum guaranteed salary of $300k on a $700k/$200k contract, and the player isn't on the NHL roster for enough days to bank a cumulative total salary of at least $300k, he gets paid out the difference at the end of the season.
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Doesn't that just mean the AHL salary is essentially the guaranteed minimum? There is no way to just make the AHL salary?
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09-28-2020, 02:43 PM
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#9
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Wouldn't be surprised. Also wouldn't be surprised to see a "blended contract" where the player has set NHL and AHL salaries but also has a guaranteed minimum salary.
For instance, he might be set to earn $700k in the NHL and $200k in the AHL. Those salaries are calculated daily, so every day the player is in the NHL, he earns money at the $700k rate, and every day he's in the AHL, he earns money at the $200k rate.
Blended contracts allow for a minimum total salary that's higher than the AHL salary a player would earn if he stays in the minors for a whole season. For instance, if a player has a minimum guaranteed salary of $300k on a $700k/$200k contract, and the player isn't on the NHL roster for enough days to bank a cumulative total salary of at least $300k, he gets paid out the difference at the end of the season.
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I don't think Kirkland has done enough to earn a blended contract. They are also far more common in UFA signings than RFA ones. If Lomberg, Froese, Quine or Robinson return, I see them getting blended deals.
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09-28-2020, 02:43 PM
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#10
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Franchise Player
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how'd we get Kirkland again?
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09-28-2020, 02:44 PM
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#11
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy
Doesn't that just mean the AHL salary is essentially the guaranteed minimum? There is no way to just make the AHL salary?
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The AHL salary is what is paid out during the season.
If a guy has a $200k AHL salary and a $300k guaranteed minimum and spends the whole year in the minors, he gets the $200k over the course of the year and then the rest of it at the end to make it a full $300k.
If, however, the guy spends enough time on the NHL roster earning at a $700k rate to make a total of $300k (at least) over the course of the season between the NHL and the AHL, then no additional payout is required.
Take a look at Zac Rinaldo's last few contracts, for an example:
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/zac-rinaldo
2019-20 with Calgary: NHL salary of $700k. AHL salary of $175k. Minimum guaranteed salary of $225k.
2018-19 with Nashville: NHL salary of $650k. AHL salary of $200k. Minimum guaranteed salary of $300k.
2017-18 with Arizona: NHL salary of $700k. AHL salary of $100k. Minimum guaranteed salary of $175k.
All blended contracts.
Kirkland, however, did not have one last season.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/justin-kirkland
2019-20 with Calgary: NHL salary of $700k. AHL salary of $90k.
Kirkland spent the entire year with Stockton so he pulled home $90k. However, if he had a minimum guaranteed salary like Rinaldo of, say, $125k, he would have received an additional $35k at the end of the season.
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how'd we get Kirkland again?
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signed him as a UFA after he wasn't qualified by Nashville.
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09-28-2020, 02:46 PM
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#12
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Niceland
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I get that, but it just seems like there is no value in saying there is an AHL amount of 200k, if he will always get 300k no matter what, because even if in AHL the whole year he makes more than AHL salary. Or am i dense?
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09-28-2020, 02:49 PM
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#13
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy
I get that, but it just seems like there is no value in saying there is an AHL amount of 200k, if he will always get 300k no matter what, because even if in AHL the whole year he makes more than AHL salary. Or am i dense?
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You're right, in a sense. But if you're asking why not just call it a $300k AHL salary and be done with it? Because if a player gets called up to the NHL for long enough, the "minimum guaranteed salary" provision may no longer apply.
Teams pay guys on blended contracts at a $200k rate per day in the AHL unless they make enough additional money in the NHL to get to the $300k mark. The $200k is just a rate of pay, that's all. Guys on two-way $700k/$200k contracts earn at a $200k rate plus the $700k rate for days they spend in the NHL; if it were a simple $700k/$300k two-way deal, they'd be earning at a $300k rate plus the $700k rate for days they spend in the NHL.
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09-28-2020, 02:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy
I get that, but it just seems like there is no value in saying there is an AHL amount of 200k, if he will always get 300k no matter what, because even if in AHL the whole year he makes more than AHL salary. Or am i dense?
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It's to do with the rate of pay.
Say a player makes 700k in the NHL, and 200k in the AHL and spend half the season in each league. That player would make about 450k.
If a player makes 700k and 100k in the AHL, with a guarantee of 200k and spent half of the season in each league, he's only make 400k.
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09-28-2020, 04:24 PM
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#15
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What is this, some cheap rip off of the ferklund brand?
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09-28-2020, 04:29 PM
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#16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
What is this, some cheap rip off of the ferklund brand?
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with better pizza and tortierre at Christmas time.
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09-28-2020, 06:06 PM
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#17
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Crown Royal
with better pizza and tortierre at Christmas time.
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tourtiere
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09-28-2020, 06:27 PM
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#18
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
how'd we get Kirkland again?
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FA signing before this past season.
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09-28-2020, 06:49 PM
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#19
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
how'd we get Kirkland again?
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In bulk.
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09-28-2020, 06:58 PM
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#20
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Kirkland is likely just as good as a lot of more expensive and bigger names out there.
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