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Old 09-30-2020, 03:38 PM   #8781
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It's especially stupid when you consider that this might be the most level playing field we'll ever see for playoff hockey. All teams had exactly the same amount of travel (nearly zero) and had several months to heal up from the regular season. It was as fair as you can get.
A friend of mine, who is an Oilers fan, was really upset that the Hawks' old guys were rested because it gave them an unfair advantage. He claimed that they would have been banged up with injuries in a regular season, and thus beatable for the mighty Oilers.
I just smiled and nodded because he's one of my best friends.
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:38 PM   #8782
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Salary cap.

While it can be done, the team would be hard pressed to address defensive and goaltending problems on the roster.
Not sure I agree. Lots of examples of it working on CF. It does come down to what it would take to sign Hall, the RFA’s and a #1 Goalie. Ryan imo would be the first cap casualty. Likey one other Sam or Dave.
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:40 PM   #8783
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A friend of mine, who is an Oilers fan, was really upset that the Hawks' old guys were rested because it gave them an unfair advantage. He claimed that they would have been banged up with injuries in a regular season, and thus beatable for the mighty Oilers.
I just smiled and nodded because he's one of my best friends.
In fairness, they DID have an unfair advantage - they were playing the Oilers.
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:47 PM   #8784
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Taylor Hall

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Those are his three best seasons in his career. Injury prone, defensively liable and a play style that will degrade fast as he relies on physical tools.

Does he get 10 million? We’re talking Brad Richards contract territory. He’s scored 30 goals ONCE in his career. He’s a 25 goal scorer in a good season. 30+ in a great season.

Great player and I’d love him on this team for the right money, that is under 7 million. He’s going to cash in on that 93p season though.
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2015-2016 - 82/82
2016-2017 - 72/82 (meniscus surgery, was expected to miss 3-4 weeks, missed 2)
2017-2018 - 76/82 (hand injury)
2018-2019 - 33/82 (another knee surgery, had 37pts in those 33games btw)
2019-2020 - 65/~68 (games missed were from healthy scratches near when he was traded)

Presuming the latest knee surgery and recovery finally fixed up his knee, I don't see him as any more "injury prone" than anyone else. At a minimum, "injury concerns" are not a con I'd put on the pros/cons list to a Hall signing.
But that's just my take.

I think he has higher point totals in him too, if he could get onto a team with some better pieces around him, or even better yet, get on a team with more than 1 scoring line so he's not always against top defenders.

The dream would be to have Gaudreau AND Hall on the team next year (and shift one of Gaudreau, Hall or Tkachuck to RW), and see if we can have an "all-in" season. Worst case if it isn't panning out, you trade Johnny at the deadline or next season's draft. Problem with that is I think you get more for Johnny now than then.
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:52 PM   #8785
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Taylor Hall

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Those are his three best seasons in his career. Injury prone, defensively liable and a play style that will degrade fast as he relies on physical tools.

Does he get 10 million? We’re talking Brad Richards contract territory. He’s scored 30 goals ONCE in his career. He’s a 25 goal scorer in a good season. 30+ in a great season.

Great player and I’d love him on this team for the right money, that is under 7 million. He’s going to cash in on that 93p season though.
Richards was 30, Hall is 28.
The free agent market might account for the injury problems, but yeah, you make a good point.

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You're one of these posters that seemingly only signs in to drive-by hall, so I am going to pick on you a bit (there was another just like you last page, and the page before that...)

WHY

Why do you believe this? Is there any statistic, relevant history, comparable player, or other demonstrable fact that you can point to that will elucidate the reasoning behind Hall=bad for the rest of us?

What i am about to say is 100% as valid as what you did because I will also offer no proof.

Hall >> Johnny Gaudreau, probably even moreso in 3 years time.
Hall being better than Gaudreau is laughable, let alone twice as good.
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[QUOTE=Crown Royal;7587361]Considering he's only surpassed 50 points once, I'm not why you think that is such a hot take.[/QUOTE

He has 50 or more 3 times. Do you know who else only has 50 points 2 times, Elias Lindholm.
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Old 09-30-2020, 04:05 PM   #8788
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Hall being better than Gaudreau is laughable, let alone twice as good.
Ding ding ding. I feel like this could be repeated 5, 10, maybe 100 times (since that's how quick these circles of conversation are going):

The benefit of replacing Gaudreau with Hall is not the quality of the players, that is negligible by any measure. It's strictly the assets you get from being able to trade Gaudreau without the #1 LW position taking a step back.
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Ding ding ding. I feel like this could be repeated 5, 10, maybe 100 times (since that's how quick these circles of conversation are going):

The benefit of replacing Gaudreau with Hall is not the quality of the players, that is negligible by any measure. It's strictly the assets you get from being able to trade Gaudreau without the #1 LW position taking a step back.
I am not at all shocked that Dissentower decided to quote my post without understanding any of the context or actually reading it.
But yes, this is absolutely the benefit of signing Hall.
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Ding ding ding. I feel like this could be repeated 5, 10, maybe 100 times (since that's how quick these circles of conversation are going):

The benefit of replacing Gaudreau with Hall is not the quality of the players, that is negligible by any measure. It's strictly the assets you get from being able to trade Gaudreau without the #1 LW position taking a step back.
Spot on. This is the kind of post that occurs when you remove emotion from the equation and make an effort to ensure you're seeing things in a lighted room. Hall is a good player, but Gaudreau has consistently moved the needle at all levels. He may get moved st some point, but the hockey world undoubtedly recognizes his skillset as being elte.
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I see Holtby accepting a 3 year term from Colorado (coincides with Mackinnon’s contract).
Colorado signing Holtby would also make sense as he and Grubauer were a fantastic tandem with the Caps
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Hall being better than Gaudreau is laughable, let alone twice as good.
Gaudreau is the better player but if he has to be moved Hall while not an upgrade would fill help fill the massive hole in the top 6.
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I am not at all shocked that Dissentower decided to quote my post without understanding any of the context or actually reading it.
But yes, this is absolutely the benefit of signing Hall.
And nobody is surprised you are trying to spin it that way after posting something so ridiculous and getting called out for it. Typical.
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Hall being better than Gaudreau is laughable, let alone twice as good.

Well, he’s clearly not twice as good as Johnny, but I expect that if both were UFA’s today, Hall would get the better contract.

But I don’t know that. It’s certainly debatable.


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And nobody is surprised you are trying to spin it that way after posting something so ridiculous and getting called out for it. Typical.
Go back to Chatham you wannabe.



You still did not read the post, in which I specifically mentioned that it was just as ridiculous as what I was replying to. yet here you are ready to try and step on me for unknown reasons. Maybe you can smell the windsor on me.
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Hall being better than Gaudreau is laughable, let alone twice as good.
I'd say Hall and Gaudreau are pretty even, but I prefer Gaudreau because of Hall's injury problems. But, if possible, I prefer both.

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I didn't think Hall was very pretty when he fell on a skate, if that's what you're referring to.
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Go back to Chatham you wannabe.



You still did not read the post, in which I specifically mentioned that it was just as ridiculous as what I was replying to. yet here you are ready to try and step on me for unknown reasons. Maybe you can smell the windsor on me.
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I didn't think Hall was very pretty when he fell on a skate, if that's what you're referring to.
Apparently posts lose something when I miss words
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