09-18-2020, 08:11 AM
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#6841
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Franchise Player
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I like our resident Canucks “trolls”
But it seems this year, they have all turned into experts on young defenseman. Funny how that happens when your franchise best defenseman goes from Jyrki Lumme to Quinn Hughes.
There is a bit of recency bias here with development of young defensemen. Because Heiskenan, Makar and Hughes have stepped in and dominated, its formed the opinion that if you don’t, then you are what you are.
The majority of young defensemen need time to fully develop. Even Niedrrmayer and Pronger (Chris not Sean for our Canuck friends) struggled a bit in their first 5 seasons.
And let’s not think that just because young defensemen expode onto the scene and dominate quickly does not mean their development can’t reverse.
After his first 3 seasons in the NHL, Phaneuf looked like he was going to be a Hall if Famer, we know how that turned out.
I don’t think the Flames should trade Hanifin yet unless it’s an offer you can’t refuse. He’s had a few games over the past two seasons where he has dominated so the potential is there.
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09-18-2020, 08:16 AM
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#6842
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Not much I got out of the Friedman hit.
- Hall might consider several options which include going short term to chase a cup (Colorado)
- speculation on what happens with Fluery
I didn’t catch much else except at the end of the hit he said there is going to be a big market for Markstrom if the Canucks don’t get him signed.
Last comment “You know Markstrom and Lindholm are really tight”
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09-18-2020, 08:26 AM
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#6843
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Blaster is wrong, hype was real.
Hype diminished as Hanifin failed to develop/transition as expected which is why Carolina made him available in the first place.
I was hype for Hanifin as while he did not have the offense of Hamilton I believed him to be a more well rounded player at the time of the trade but again development appears to have more or less plateaud with him which is why I believe he is once again available.
Overall, a downgrade on asset value without much of a contractual benefit.
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Sorry, what was the downgrade in asset value? Trade was not 1 for 1.
I disagree that development has plateaued, he was clearly being held back by being paired with Hamonic, and was much better with Andersson. Those two could be the Flames' top pairing next season, if Gio's apparent decline continues and if Brodie is not re-signed or replaced with someone comparable.
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09-18-2020, 08:36 AM
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#6844
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Calgary
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Funny how things change.
A year ago, I was all for Hamonic, keep him, resign him - heart and soul guy...
I was also on board for trading Bodie or letting him walk.
Complete reversal on how I feel about those two hockey players. I would like to have Brodie back and am fine with letting Hamonic go.
I like Hanafin and hope he stays with the club. As others have said, he seems to be playing well when paired with Anderson as opposed to Hamonic.
Overall, I think our defence needs a bit more sandpaper. Would love to have an Engelland type player. Don’t know who that would be and what it would cost.
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09-18-2020, 08:36 AM
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#6845
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Hanafin for Domi
Hanafin for Dylan Strome +2nd
Hanafin for Clayton Keller
Hanafin +2nd for William Nylander
Hanafin + 2nd for Boeser
Hanafin+ 2nd for Mantha
Hanafin for Dumba+2nd
Hanafin + 2nd for Parayko
Those are the types of Hanafin trades I would be interested in. Hope we're not just unloading him for nothing, but I can see why he is the one they are thinking of moving. Just make it a good Hockey trade for Hanifin.
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09-18-2020, 08:39 AM
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#6846
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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You spelled Hanifin wrong like 9 times but nailed it on the last try
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09-18-2020, 08:40 AM
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#6847
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Macindoc
Sorry, what was the downgrade in asset value? Trade was not 1 for 1...
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This is much easier to understand once you know the Flash Walken posting rubric:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Basically it is to:
- Criticize moves made
- Criticize moves that weren't made but could have happened
- Criticize moves that haven't happened but might
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With that useful information in hand, all of his contributions become clear and also easier to ignore.
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09-18-2020, 08:42 AM
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#6848
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
You spelled Hanifin wrong like 9 times but nailed it on the last try
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Lol I can never get this poor guy's name right, hence my willingness to engage in trades with him.
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09-18-2020, 09:29 AM
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#6849
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
You need to read the convo...nobody is saying Hanifin is that guy...Blaster said he was never hyped like a top dman and was proven wrong
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And I (the person who brought up Jones) was only saying that Jones took 4 seasons to hit his stride (and then was only 22 when he did). So Hanifin, brought in at a very young age like Jones, might have a similar timetable.
This is in no way a statement that Hanifin is as good as Jones, has the same ceiling, or is similar in any other way.
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09-18-2020, 09:31 AM
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#6850
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Billy Guerin has announced that the Wild won't be re-signing Mikko Koivu.
Man, if there's a team that badly needs a centre, it's that one.
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09-18-2020, 09:39 AM
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#6851
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Billy Guerin has announced that the Wild won't be re-signing Mikko Koivu.
Man, if there's a team that badly needs a centre, it's that one.
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Was it said because Mikko is retiring?
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09-18-2020, 10:09 AM
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#6852
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
Was it said because Mikko is retiring?
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Is he? I haven't seen any confirmation of that, only rumours.
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09-18-2020, 10:12 AM
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#6853
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Monahan and our 2nd for Dumba and 9th?
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09-18-2020, 10:22 AM
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#6854
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Billy Guerin has announced that the Wild won't be re-signing Mikko Koivu.
Man, if there's a team that badly needs a centre, it's that one.
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It's a little weird to see a team trading from such a position of weakness. Their centre depth right now is Erickson Ek, Rask, Donato and Sturm.
It makes me think that they already have a deal done in principal with somebody.
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09-18-2020, 10:23 AM
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#6855
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Monahan and our 2nd for Dumba and 9th?
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I think Minnesota says no. Even though we are giving up the better player I would think that Minnesota is about to enter a rebuild.
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09-18-2020, 10:24 AM
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#6856
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
Was it said because Mikko is retiring?
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They reportedly told Koivu that they weren't bringing him back at the exit interviews. Doesn't sound like Koivu has decided whether he is playing or not next season.
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09-18-2020, 10:32 AM
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#6857
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
It's a little weird to see a team trading from such a position of weakness. Their centre depth right now is Erickson Ek, Rask, Donato and Sturm.
It makes me think that they already have a deal done in principal with somebody.
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I guess they will play Johannson at C. But that just replaces Koivu's production. Not Staal's.
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09-18-2020, 10:35 AM
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#6858
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Saying Hanifin is what he is is just as whacked as saying he will definitely get better. Neither are necessarily true, and the NHL is littered with players who peaked that young, even if that isn't the norm.
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09-18-2020, 11:01 AM
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#6859
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Good thing it is only Eklund but a little scary since he has flyers connections.
“ Calgary/Philly talk.
The Flames are continuing to search out options for Johnny Gaudreau and it's no secret Gaudreau, who grew up a Flyers fan in South Jersey, is very much a good fit for a Philly team who wants to add scoring and speed. The asking price would start with Gostisbehere, who will very much benefit from a fresh start, a pick and a player...some are speculating that Van Riemsdyke could be included to make the money work and give Calgary help on the power play...”
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09-18-2020, 11:08 AM
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#6860
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Good thing it is only Eklund but a little scary since he has flyers connections.
“ Calgary/Philly talk.
The Flames are continuing to search out options for Johnny Gaudreau and it's no secret Gaudreau, who grew up a Flyers fan in South Jersey, is very much a good fit for a Philly team who wants to add scoring and speed. The asking price would start with Gostisbehere, who will very much benefit from a fresh start, a pick and a player...some are speculating that Van Riemsdyke could be included to make the money work and give Calgary help on the power play...”
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Lol Ghost and Van Riemsdyk? We better be getting Patrick, their 1st and Myers to help offset that awfulness.
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