2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If Bennett+Kylington was Minnesota's ask for Dumba would you pull the trigger?

I would.

Nope. I think moving Bennett now is a huge mistake until we see if he can carry over his playoff play into next year.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ya I am not a fan of Dumba for Monahan. This team had weak C depth and trading our top center for a Dman doesn’t feel like the right move to me

I also think Monahan simply has more value than Dumba.
Just based on assets, I think the Wild would have to add.

But yes, trading a center doesn't make a ton of sense.
I think the Flames would do better without a proven #4 dman than they would without Monahan.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. I think moving Bennett now is a huge mistake until we see if he can carry over his playoff play into next year.

The annual tradition.

[Rocky Mtn Flames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

So who steps in as the #1centre?

Lindholm moves to center.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. I think moving Bennett now is a huge mistake until we see if he can carry over his playoff play into next year.

Yep, slap that boy at centre and put some solid wingers on his line (keep Lucic and Dube with him). I'm excited to see a full season of Ward + Bennett the Centre. No more of this throwing him on the wing of a line featuring horrible players on their way out of the league.

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I also think Monahan simply has more value than Dumba.
Just based on assets, I think the Wild would have to add.

But yes, trading a center doesn't make a ton of sense.
I think the Flames would do better without a proven #4 dman than they would without Monahan.

Yeah, Minnesota would have to add a significant piece. Only way you trade Monahan is if it presents you the opportunity to add to the team elsewhere now, and a shot at replacing Monahan long-term. So we're talking Dumba + Minnesota's 1st, which Minnesota wouldn't do because they're better off just grabbing Lundell at 9th and keep building through the draft.

You just don't make a Monahan for Dumba move straight across without setting back your franchise severely. That's a bad trade for Calgary.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The annual tradition.

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

[bubbsy]

Here's a dumb question, other than a bit of a flames killer when he plays vs Calgary, what exactly is Dumba?

Is he a top pairing guy, 2nd pairing guy? Is he a PP and/or PK contributor?

Unless he's a top pairing guy, or a high end 2nd pairing guy that can run the PP, I don't know if I'd be overly excited in trading Monahan, with his faults and all, just for Dumba and some secondary asset (b/c prospect, 3-7 round picks).

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

ugh, now you have the song that sampled that quote, stuck in my head

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He was a better goalie last season but IMO you should never look at one season of a goalie.

Looking at the last three years they are equal at 5v5 and Kuemper is better on the PK.

I don’t think that upgrade should cost you a first.

Calgary and Arizona are very tight when it comes to chances and expected goals against over the last three years.

Doesn't appear that Arizona has a system that makes goaltenders look better while killing penalties.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. I think moving Bennett now is a huge mistake until we see if he can carry over his playoff play into next year.

So, you won't move a 3rd liner for a top 4 defenseman, because of a hope and a prayer? Seems logical to me.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn Flames

Lindholm moves to center.

7 seasons in the NHL and hasn't played a full season at center, even when the Hurricanes had crappy center depth, and you expect him to step in and be a #1C?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn Flames

Lindholm moves to center.

Who steps in as #1 RW?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

The annual tradition.

I think sample size and degree of impact make this certainly a nuanced change to the annual tradition.

Could just be the same result for sure, but it's not a carbon copy of previous off seasons.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think sample size and degree of impact make this certainly a nuanced change to the annual tradition.

Could just be the same result for sure, but it's not a carbon copy of previous off seasons.

Part of the difference for me is that these playoffs I found him to be more of an actual play driver. Previous playoffs he was a guy who really set the tone physically and saw improved production.
But this year - he drove the play in a sustained way and made those around him better.

That for me is part of what felt different.
Yes it has to sustain, but I feel more confident that it will, at least to some extent.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Part of the difference for me is that these playoffs I found him to be more of an actual play driver. Previous playoffs he was a guy who really set the tone physically and saw improved production.
But this year - he drove the play in a sustained way and made those around him better.

That for me is part of what felt different.
Yes it has to sustain, but I feel more confident that it will, at least to some extent.

Yeah that's pretty much me.

I wouldn't say he couldn't be dealt in the right package though, but the value would have to be what he's done in past regular seasons plus or you may be devaluing the asset.

I certainly wouldn't ridicule anyone for having pause until we see if that Bennett can at least show to a degree in a regular season.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. I think moving Bennett now is a huge mistake until we see if he can carry over his playoff play into next year.

There's my favourite broken clock!

It's like groundhog day all over again

We can't keep doing this every. single. year.

[Strange Brew]

The chasm is just so big. The play driving, physical force and point producer from the playoffs (smaller sample size) vs. the guy that had 12 points in the regular season or couldn't crack 27 points in any of last three.

I'm curious to see how it plays out. It would be a rather rare jump in production if he can pull it off.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There's my favourite broken clock!

It's like groundhog day all over again

We can't keep doing this every. single. year.

Sure we can. And we will as long as we can.

[Niemo]

After this years playoff performance, Bennett is the type of Risk/Reward that makes more sense hanging on to. If you are wrong again, it's difficult to be faulted unless someone massively overpays.

If we needed cap space, I think Derek Ryan has decent value around the league as a No3 C and PKer. His contract is also expiring, so a team needing a 3C and PK C may even give up a 3rd round pick.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

There's my favourite broken clock!

It's like groundhog day all over again

We can't keep doing this every. single. year.

You don't find reactions like yours to be equally challenged as a timepiece?