Star Wars

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by blankall

My views on Solo will always be tainted by the fact it seemed like a cash grab following the "success" of the TLJ. I was in such a foul star wars state of mind that maybe I'm not giving it a fair chance. I'll try to rewatch it....in like 3 years maybe.

The best thing about Solo is that it's total failure from having to be reshot twice and still being a bad movie is it made Disney cancel all the future Star Wars movies and focus on longer streaming series.

It's responsible for Obi Wan and Andor, etc. Obi Wan was only good for the scenes with Vader. I could live without the rest.

Andor is making even the original trilogy look cheesy to me now.

[Locke]

Yep. I'd agree with most of those lists.

I also like that we've all just acknowledged that the prequels were a thing that never happened.

Oh, and if you want to get into the animated stuff like Clone Wars/Rebels/Bad Batch, KTrain posted great links to edits of them that I found exceptionally good.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The best thing about Solo is that it's total failure from having to be reshot twice and still being a bad movie is it made Disney cancel all the future Star Wars movies and focus on longer streaming series.

It's responsible for Obi Wan and Andor, etc. Obi Wan was only good for the scenes with Vader. I could live without the rest.

Andor is making even the original trilogy look cheesy to me now.

I *think* Andor may have been on the books as a series before Solo, but it def moved Boba Fett and Kenobi to TN

[CaptainCrunch]

My list

Phantom Menace - Not really all that good, but Palpatine is a star in this as is Obi-Wan.
Attack of the Clones - Really clunky, you don't see much of Palpatine but he has a large presence. Finally explains the Clone Wars, Again Ewan just shines in this
Revenge of the Sith - I'm sorry but I like this film though it could have been so much more. But its Lore rich, we see the rise of Vader.

The Clone Wars Cartoon series with Bad Batch - Fills in the gaps really nicely, and Bad Batch is great at showing what happens to the Empire.

Obi-Wan - I liked this, yeah it wanders in the middle, but again a strong cast carries it and the ending of it is worth some of the wandering.

Solo - It gets a lot of flack, but I did like a lot of aspects to it, a really strong cast

Andor - Yup great series.

Rebels - A great bridge from Bad Batch and Obi-wan to the events of a New Hope.

Rogue One - This goes back to the ANH crawl about the first Rebel victory. Really strong cast and really the first stride out from under the whole Force Lore heavy Star Wars.

A New Hope
Empire Strikes back
Return of the Jedi

The Mandalorian - Really shows what happened to the Galaxy without the strength and Order of the Empire. Great characters. Grogu man.

I can live with or without Book of Boba Fett, but its not must watch TV.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

To me, The Last Jedi rules. But as well-made as I think it is it suffers from being a Star Wars movie about Star Wars. A clever (for me) deconstruction of Star Wars, but about Star Wars none the less. I really think Andor puts it shame as like it's not ABOUT Star Wars which I think most of the other Disney era stuff is.

I really liked the first season of Mando but I think the second season suffered as ever third episode was seeding a new series.

no ... no , that's not true .. that's impossible!

[Yeah_Baby]

problem with Boba is they like basically gave the last handful of episodes to

Spoiler!

Mando and Grogu so it's like a little Mando S 2.5 in there

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

no ... no , that's not true .. that's impossible!

https://boxd.it/2XLYvT

[Hack&Lube]

I didn't watch Boba because one of the previews showed what looked like the hot-rodding Neutrino kids of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles showing up.

[Yeah_Baby]

That's not inaccurate.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

To me, The Last Jedi rules. But as well-made as I think it is it suffers from being a Star Wars movie about Star Wars. A clever (for me) deconstruction of Star Wars, but about Star Wars none the less. I really think Andor puts it shame as like it's not ABOUT Star Wars which I think most of the other Disney era stuff is.

I really liked the first season of Mando but I think the second season suffered as ever third episode was seeding a new series.

The Last Jedi wasn't a terrible movie but it was a terrible Star Wars movie.

The sequel trilogy was just three independent movies based in the Star Wars universe with the same Star Wars characters but didn't have well thought out linkage to one another.

The Force Awakens - "This will begin to make things right" - I enjoyed this movie and I was looking forward to the next two movies.

The Last Jedi - What the heck did it have to do with The Force Awakens? Same characters. That's it. Questions created in The Force Awakens that gave one hope for the future of the franchise were completely ignored or poorly answered.

The Rise of Skywalker - A desperate attempt to fix the trilogy was too big of a task to be pulled off with one movie. They went overboard and it was ridiculous. I despise this move the most out of all the Star Wars movies.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Buff

The Last Jedi wasn't a terrible movie but it was a terrible Star Wars movie.

The sequel trilogy was just three independent movies based in the Star Wars universe with the same Star Wars characters but didn't have well thought out linkage to one another.

The Force Awakens - "This will begin to make things right" - I enjoyed this movie and I was looking forward to the next two movies.

The Last Jedi - What the heck did it have to do with The Force Awakens? Same characters. That's it. Questions created in The Force Awakens that gave one hope for the future of the franchise were completely ignored or poorly answered.

The Rise of Skywalker - A desperate attempt to fix the trilogy was too big of a task to be pulled off with one movie. They went overboard and it was ridiculous. I despise this move the most out of all the Star Wars movies.

babu frick and ben solo fighting and shooting a blaster for 5 minutes are the only things I liked about rise of skywalker

they even butchered the tentacle porn

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Buff

The Last Jedi wasn't a terrible movie but it was a terrible Star Wars movie.

The sequel trilogy was just three independent movies based in the Star Wars universe with the same Star Wars characters but didn't have well thought out linkage to one another.

The Force Awakens - "This will begin to make things right" - I enjoyed this movie and I was looking forward to the next two movies.

The Last Jedi - What the heck did it have to do with The Force Awakens? Same characters. That's it. Questions created in The Force Awakens that gave one hope for the future of the franchise were completely ignored or poorly answered.

The Rise of Skywalker - A desperate attempt to fix the trilogy was too big of a task to be pulled off with one movie. They went overboard and it was ridiculous. I despise this move the most out of all the Star Wars movies.

I always think it’s funny that people blame TLJ for not unraveling JJs mystery box rather than blame JJ for building a ####ty box.

Plot of last Jedi sucked but it at least tried to answer questions rather than just have a cryptic 1 minute flashback and call it world building.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So one of the complaints that I read this weekend (That was weird) was the lack of aliens in the prison. I mean the Empire was xenophobic, they exterminated the Geonosians, and talked bout the extermination of another species that resisted.

So the answer is pretty simple. For the most part unless your a species with a lot of worth like the Wookies as Slaves, they simply wipe them out.

The more complex answer is that these prisons are budget sensitive, the human aspect costs less then building and using droids. So where's the best way to save costs? The food.

I hear that they use Mon Calamari past for the flavored past, and Jawa past for the un flavored.

It could be that they keep species separated so we just haven't seen the other aliens. Less chance for conflict between prisoners. Dietary and living conditions might have to be different as well.

[Blaster86]

Each movie in the sequel trilogy felt like there was supposed to be another movie before it to set everything up. You went into every film missing so much information that the plot just didn't make sense and everything was confusing or not explained.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by KTrain

It could be that they keep species separated so we just haven't seen the other aliens. Less chance for conflict between prisoners. Dietary and living conditions might have to be different as well.

The Empire seems pretty willing to do genocide on alien species. Plus aliens were a big part of the Rebellion.

I expect that the Empire had a take no prisoners philosophy on non alien species unless you had a particular skill set. Wookies, and their strength and craftsmenship and ability to be worked to death. Mon Calas for their ship building. But they did exterminate the Geonosians with bio weapons, and wiped out the other species on Andor.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Empire seems pretty willing to do genocide on alien species. Plus aliens were a big part of the Rebellion.

I expect that the Empire had a take no prisoners philosophy on non alien species unless you had a particular skill set. Wookies, and their strength and craftsmenship and ability to be worked to death. Mon Calas for their ship building. But they did exterminate the Geonosians with bio weapons, and wiped out the other species on Andor.

That and the prison they are in is very specifically constructed to house a human workforce. The beds, heights, bathrooms, tables, tools, etc. are all made for humans. The electric floor may have different results on Wookies, etc. as well. There's probably labor/extermination camps for Wookies and other species elsewhere.

RoTJ would have hit much harder if all the Ewoks were in chains and enslaved to deforest and build the shield generator.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

That and the prison they are in is very specifically constructed to house a human workforce. The beds, heights, bathrooms, tables, tools, etc. are all made for humans. The electric floor may have different results on Wookies, etc. as well. There's probably labor/extermination camps for Wookies and other species elsewhere.

RoTJ would have hit much harder if all the Ewoks were in chains and enslaved to deforest and build the shield generator.

Wookies were originally planned to be on the moon. What a different movie that would have been. It definitely would have made more sense that they could take our Imperials.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by KTrain

Wookies were originally planned to be on the moon. What a different movie that would have been. It definitely would have made more sense that they could take our Imperials.

Wouldn't have been quite the same underdog story, which besides toy sales, was what George was after.

Having 8 feet tall wookies ripping storm troopers in half while using bow casters might have made sense in the rebels beating the Empire. But would have probably made for a easy victory. Plus Storm Troopers getting beaten over the head with their own leg is definitely not a PG movie.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

That and the prison they are in is very specifically constructed to house a human workforce. The beds, heights, bathrooms, tables, tools, etc. are all made for humans. The electric floor may have different results on Wookies, etc. as well. There's probably labor/extermination camps for Wookies and other species elsewhere.

RoTJ would have hit much harder if all the Ewoks were in chains and enslaved to deforest and build the shield generator.

The unintended comedy of wookies being set on fire when the floor turns on.

I'm still not sure what they're making, But I'm assuming its death star tech.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Each movie in the sequel trilogy felt like there was supposed to be another movie before it to set everything up. You went into every film missing so much information that the plot just didn't make sense and everything was confusing or not explained.

What more exposition do you need than "Somehow Palpatine returned"