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Old 03-24-2018, 04:13 PM   #361
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On my team Brodie doesn't get anywhere near the top pairing. I like Hamonic a lot, but that doesn't work either.

Hamilton is the second best defenceman on the team and Gio has probably only a few good years left. Get rid of Hamilton and if Gio regresses, now you have a top pairing of Brodie and Hamonic.
On my team Brodie plays the right side. Why wouldn’t Hamonic work?

I want to clarify. No way do I want to give Hamilton away but I think he is the one piece we can move to get the top line forward we need.

I think Brodie returns a flawed forward where Dougie gets us a true potential superstar.
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:19 PM   #362
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On my team Brodie plays the right side. Why wouldn’t Hamonic work?

I want to clarify. No way do I want to give Hamilton away but I think he is the one piece we can move to get the top line forward we need.

I think Brodie returns a flawed forward where Dougie gets us a true potential superstar.
Hamonic doesn't have the offence to be a top pairing guy.
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...libre-defence/

That was only 2 years back.
No question that Brodie has dropped off after getting replaced by Hamilton, goes to show the absolute workhorse and professional that Gio is and has been and how he makes teammates better.
So I don’t think it’s a huge leap to think that Brodie looks better and plays better if he was still with Gio...and begs the question about how much confidence Gio gaves Hamilton certainly offensively.
Hamilton has been here 3 years and has not always played with Gio.

Over those 3 seasons , Hamilton has more points than any other Flames D and is a plus player.

Lastly, he is 24 frigging years old, 6 months older than Kulak.
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Hamilton has been here 3 years and has not always played with Gio.

Over those 3 seasons , Hamilton has more points than any other Flames D and is a plus player.

Lastly, he is 24 frigging years old, 6 months older than Kulak.
Do you think 24 year old defenders can learn to play with passion and consistently over an 82 game schedule?

Those are the biggest things he's missing. The goals are really nice, but the bear down needs a ton of work.

Is he just a keith yandle or kevin shattenkirk, or is there a Pronger in there somewhere?
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Hamonic doesn't have the offence to be a top pairing guy.
Gio does though. With Hamonic Gio goes back to being a Dman that pushes for 60pts like he did the last season he had where he was not paired with Hamilton.
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:30 PM   #366
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Gio does though. With Hamonic Gio goes back to being a Dman that pushes for 60pts like he did the last season he had where he was not paired with Hamilton.
I don't think Gio is that guy anymore. He gives it 100% every night but he's on the slow decline. The guy's going to be 35 to start next season so you have to be realistic in that his points production and overall game is probably going to start declining.
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Do you think 24 year old defenders can learn to play with passion and consistently over an 82 game schedule?

Those are the biggest things he's missing. The goals are really nice, but the bear down needs a ton of work.

Is he just a keith yandle or kevin shattenkirk, or is there a Pronger in there somewhere?
See Brett Burns stats at the same age. Not saying he will be as good as Burns but interesting to compare at the same age.

He will never be Pronger. You are talking about one of the 3 best D in the last 35 years.
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I don't think Gio is that guy anymore. He gives it 100% every night but he's on the slow decline. The guy's going to be 35 to start next season so you have to be realistic in that his points production and overall game is probably going to start declining.
Fair enpigh but I do think he would score more if he was the guy on the pairing thst was counted on to put up points.

I also think Andersson could be a guy that lights up the scoreboard. At the end of the day Andersson is closer to filling that hole than any forward prospect in the system of filling a top 6 need.


I look at Hamilton as the piece that can maybe return Marner/Nylander or Tkachuk+. I am aiming for the fences with that trade and not looking to sell cheap
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Hamilton has been here 3 years and has not always played with Gio.

Over those 3 seasons , Hamilton has more points than any other Flames D and is a plus player.

Lastly, he is 24 frigging years old, 6 months older than Kulak.
Brodie has played his best with Gio. Just as Hamilton is. That’s the point, so to say Brodie that he should be nowhere Gio as a pairing, as if it would be some disaster isn’t all that accurate given the past history (when Brodie was 24/25) 2-3 years back.
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See Brett Burns stats at the same age. Not saying he will be as good as Burns but interesting to compare at the same age.

He will never be Pronger. You are talking about one of the 3 best D in the last 35 years.
IMO burns already had different dimensions to his game by that time, his career was mostly derailed by injuries early.

Not the case at all with hamilton.

Burns at 22:



Frankly don't see the comparison between hamilton and burns at all other than both tall and score goals.
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Do you think 24 year old defenders can learn to play with passion and consistently over an 82 game schedule?

Those are the biggest things he's missing. The goals are really nice, but the bear down needs a ton of work.

Is he just a keith yandle or kevin shattenkirk, or is there a Pronger in there somewhere?
Would be interesting to ask Chuck Fletcher (Minnesota ) and Brian Burke ( Hartford) if they regret trading Burns and Pronger , before each player matured.

I would guess they would both say yes

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IMO burns already had different dimensions to his game by that time, his career was mostly derailed by injuries early.

Not the case at all with hamilton.

Burns at 22:

Frankly don't see the comparison between hamilton and burns at all other than both tall and score goals.
My comment was....”See Brett Burns stats at the same age”

The numbers look pretty similar with Hamilton having an advantage at the same age.
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This has become one of the most ridiculous threads I’ve ever read. Thank god these thoughts will not be that of management.
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So if Dougie figures out how to grow a beard...do we keep him then?
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My comment was....”See Brett Burns stats at the same age”

The numbers look pretty similar with Hamilton having an advantage at the same age.
Right, but i'm not talking about points, I'm talking about personalities.

Burns always had a competitive edge to his game. I don't see the same from Hamilton.

Do you see it from Hamilton? If no, do you think it's something that can be learned?
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IMO burns already had different dimensions to his game by that time, his career was mostly derailed by injuries early.

Not the case at all with hamilton.
By 'different dimensions' do you mean Burns' team was playing him as a forward because they didn't feel they could trust him as a defenseman?
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By 'different dimensions' do you mean Burns' team was playing him as a forward because they didn't feel they could trust him as a defenseman?
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Have to agree with Vinny01. Hamilton does have the potential to bring back a very nice return. If they can pull off a similar type deal like Johansen for Jones I think they should seriously consider it. To me Brodie can fill in for Hamilton easier than trying to fill an offensive hole with whatever you get for Brodie.
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