[News] Monahan knows what's on the line this season: 'I have a lot to prove'

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think this undervalues what makes skill players effective together

(Note: Crosby is the exception and not the rule (ex. where he tells his winger not to worry when crossing the blue line as he will make sure the play is onside))

Not everybody can play with a player like Johnny.

Monahan in a not very flashy way is very good at finding quiet spots. It’s the right job in the o zone if Johnny is carrying and distributing

Even Ferland who somehow a lot of people really liked, I think more from the Vancouver series than subsequent regular seasons) was a 20 goal 40 point guy. That is really not very special on a top line.

Monahan by contrast has averaged 28 goals per 82 games over his entire career now

Nice problem to have

I will trust Sutter in both his appraisal of Monahan and his ability to manage the player

This is actually the problem with Monahan. All he can do is find a quiet spot on the ice. Lindholm on the otherhand can find a quit spot on the ice and possesses an even better shot than Monahan. Plus he forechecks and backchecks better than anyone on this team period, end, stop. He's also no slouch on the rush and can cycle the puck effectively.

This is why Gaudreau and him are clicking so well. Lindholm doesn't just rely on Gaudreau to do all the work on the line. He holds his own by creating more opportunities for offense because he can create so many turnovers on both sides of the ice. So his line doesn't get silenced when rush chances go away, instead, they can still score off the cycle and off turnovers.

With Gaudreau and Monahan, when the calendar flipped and the games were tightly checked, this duo was MIA.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Playing with him was a big reason Johnny was not looking good for 1-1.5 seasons. Monahan was already seriously limited in his ability and now, being slower, and so one-dimensional has caught up to him in a big way.

I would be shocked if his next deal in the NHL is anything beyond a 1 year prove it contract considering how bad he is at everything else besides cashing in on tight to the net plays. Now that he can't even get to these areas on time he's utterly useless.

The guy is beyond done. Really poor job in analyzing a player by Treliving. Even the casual fans could see it coming.

Yeah this is by far Brad Treliving's biggest flaw as a GM. He does a lot of other things well, but struggles in the most important area that a good GM must possess and that's talent evaluation. It's the reason why he's had so many buyouts and albatrosses throughout his tenure.

Some GMs may not work as hard as Brad or do as well at the negotiating table, but they don't make as many mistakes that kill their cap structure. Realistically, even one bad contract could easily reverse all the money saved from several shrewd signings.

[Hack&Lube]

So tonight's game was another poor performance from Monahan when we really need a sniper like Winnipeg had in Connor.

What is wrong with Monahan? Just never the same after surgery?

Is he a plug unless he skates with Gaudreau? Does he have any trade value today?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

So tonight's game was another poor performance from Monahan when we really need a sniper like Winnipeg had in Connor.

What is wrong with Monahan? Just never the same after surgery?

Is he a plug unless he skates with Gaudreau? Does he have any trade value today?

He could be waived and not one team would take him at this point. Sad

[djsFlames]

Where'd your shot go, Sean?

That was a boat load of chances tonight.

[TheSquatch]

Monahan lacks ferocity/determination, and always has. Always. Yes, he's played hurt (every year). Yes, he's a trooper. His toughness is unquestioned. But his determination is... meh. And this is what we, his detractors, have seen for years. Yes, he had (has?) an uncanny knack at the net. But he didn't have much else, and he's never been fast.

So where some people saw a twenty goal season and said "Next year probably 40" others saw a 20 goal season and thought "Well that was lucky."

Flames have a problem if #23 plays like this for the rest of the season. He's not doing much.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

So tonight's game was another poor performance from Monahan when we really need a sniper like Winnipeg had in Connor.

What is wrong with Monahan? Just never the same after surgery?

Is he a plug unless he skates with Gaudreau? Does he have any trade value today?

He's a plug even when on the ice with Gaudreau.
Those PP chances he gets are prime scoring opportunities and go to waste. Someone else in that position puts a goal in tonight.

It is sad and it sucks to come down on a guy who was great for years, but he's really the net negative to this team now.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

So tonight's game was another poor performance from Monahan when we really need a sniper like Winnipeg had in Connor.

What is wrong with Monahan? Just never the same after surgery?

Is he a plug unless he skates with Gaudreau? Does he have any trade value today?

Doubt he has much trade value at this point. Teams looking to acquire a Monahan will be in win now mode, but won’t have $6.3M available for a reclamation project.

This is why Treliving needed to trade Monahan in the offseason, for literally anything. I could tell from a mile away he was going to have a bad season and now, what is he? A possible buyout candidate? Why does this team always have to have dead cap on the books? Brouwer’s buyout was finally got over by this season’s end.

At this point in his career, if he’s not scoring at an even replacement level for us, then at the very least, stop getting scored on. He’s a team worst -6 and it’s not even close. That second goal allowed was not a good shift from him and his line.

[Flamesfan05]

He is done

I don’t think it’s because he is not with Johnny

He can’t shoot anymore even on a perfect pass.

Rest of his game has never been developed

[djsFlames]

Doesn't he still have 8 or 9 points?

Not done. But basically 3rd line quality and without his once greatest strength. Hard to say what he is at this point. He can pass pretty well.

[Flamesfan05]

He scored less than Lewis and Richardson even strength

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Doesn't he still have 8 or 9 points?

Not done. But basically 3rd line quality and without his once greatest strength. Hard to say what he is at this point. He can pass pretty well.

He has 8 or 9 points because he’s spoon fed 1st pp opportunities. Obvious choice is to put Mangiapane in that spot, but that messes up the 2nd pp unit. I wouldn’t mind Coleman getting a chance on pp.

[djsFlames]

Maybe Coleman on the PP helps get him going.

[dissentowner]

He is never going to be a top 6 guy again, it isn't his fault really, he is just broken. Getting that contract off the books would be glorious but it isn't happening. Just have to bury him down the lineup, limit his ice time, and wait out his contract unfortunately.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Doesn't he still have 8 or 9 points?

Not done. But basically 3rd line quality and without his once greatest strength. Hard to say what he is at this point. He can pass pretty well.

Ya, but only 2 goals. on pace for 8. I think he'll get more than 8, but thats the pace with tons of PP time.

[djsFlames]

Well there isn't long left. Just hope he finds some magic somehow in that time and if not, wish him well when he departs.

Doesn't take away from what he accomplished in his first 6 years for us. He doesn't deserve a disrespectful ending here. Its no Loui Ericsson situation.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

He is never going to be a top 6 guy again, it isn't his fault really, he is just broken. Getting that contract off the books would be glorious but it isn't happening. Just have to bury him down the lineup, limit his ice time, and wait out his contract unfortunately.

Buying him out is a possibility.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Well there isn't long left. Just hope he finds some magic somehow in that time and if not, wish him well when he departs.

Doesn't take away from what he accomplished in his first 6 years for us. He doesn't deserve a disrespectful ending here. Its no Loui Ericsson situation.

And that definitely shouldn't happen. Will always have a soft spot for Monny.

[Mathgod]

You mean it's not all just his linemates weighing him down?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

And that definitely shouldn't happen. Will always have a soft spot for Monny.

Some don't, and that's unfortunate.

He was the beginning of this rebuild and the first to re-stoke the fires of hope with his 22 goal rookie campaign playing with vets and NO Gaudreau.