Ongoing General Automotive Thread 2.0

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What's the attraction of an RS6 outside of it being a wagon? It's way overpriced and on a performance level can't even compete with a lower priced German carl like the M3/M4.

Well, I am pretty sure they are all German cars.

But the RS6 and RS7 definitely outperform the M3 and M4 (0-60 in the low 3s, depending on who is doing the testing)

And they are incomparable with respect to comfort

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The current plan in the RS Etron GT. However, they aren't taking orders yet, and if I find something more interesting before the order goes in, then so be it.

When you said it didn't blow your skirt up, I wasn't sure... Congratulations! Should be an amazing car and a hell of an experience.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The current plan in the RS Etron GT. However, they aren't taking orders yet, and if I find something more interesting before the order goes in, then so be it.

If you didn't get in on the first 50 you should just wait for the wagon version. Hopefully it's not all illogical like the Taycan wagon with somehow less than a litre more boot capacity.

[81MC]

K this gunshot backfire trend has gone too far. Like it’s ####ing relentless.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Any of you guys wrestle with the environmental implications of gas guzzlers? I really like the Telluride as a three-row vehicle - roomier than any of the Germans, good value for all the safety tech, looks reasonably cool for an SUV - but the NA V6 gives you like 19 MPG city and 24 MPG highway.

Like, operating that is a pretty uncool move in this day and age, is it not? Climate change is fataing us up here, there and everywhere. Are we all just saying "fata it, not my problem" or am I overblowing the difference one vehicle makes to the whole issue?

No replies. I think I have my answer and fata it...if you can't beat 'em, join' em. I'm not going to be the only car guy worrying about the environment.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No replies. I think I have my answer and fata it...if you can't beat 'em, join' em. I'm not going to be the only car guy worrying about the environment.

Sorry, got sidetracked being told what car I shouldn't buy

But based on that, I think you can guess how I feel.

Look, I don't intentionally choose gas guzzlers, but fuel economy does not really factor into my decision. Between my wife and I, in non-COVID years, we drive <15k km, so far less than average.

I have nothing against electric cars and will definitely choose to drive one before they're mandated. However, at this time, either there's nothing available in the segment we need, or the pricing doesn't make for a compelling value prop. Ford announcing the Lightning is one encouraging development.

You?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No replies. I think I have my answer and fata it...if you can't beat 'em, join' em. I'm not going to be the only car guy worrying about the environment.

I actually don't mind the Telluride at all.

I like the look, but have in the back of my mind that Kia is the "off brand" of Hyundai.

I'm not sure that is a fair assessment.

I am looking to replace my 2011 Durango and we still need room of a vehicle that size.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I actually don't mind the Telluride at all.

I like the look, but have in the back of my mind that Kia is the "off brand" of Hyundai.

I'm not sure that is a fair assessment.

I am looking to replace my 2011 Durango and we still need room of a vehicle that size.

Yeah, some people still think that about Hyundai and KIA, but in fact both brands make great cars at a great value. I stumbled into liking the Telluride one day last year. My wife and I were looking at a used Mercedes GLS 450, which is the MB three row. It was a complete disappointment. Not all that nice inside (2019 model, anyway), and totally cramped for space with a borderline useless third row. I actually hated it and was expecting to love it.

Anyway, we went to every manufacturer to try every three row vehicle and the Telluride was faaaaaar better than all of them. By leaps and bounds. Nothing from Audi, Ford, Honda, BMW, Mazda, etc. (I mean it when I say we put every make on the table) even came close. No comparison whatsoever. And by better I mean the interior layout, space in all rows, the self driving stuff, all the other tech, exterior looks great and the interior is nice (I like the Pallisade interior more, but hate the exterior). The downside is the drivetrain - boring old V6 that's competent but not fast or particularly fun.

For whatever reason I've never been a fan of any one brand of car. I've practically owned them all. Right now, in 2021, the Telluride is my favourite three row vehicle. Wouldn't matter who made it to me. It's designed the best and the great thing about that is the industry knows it, which will give us all better vehicles on the next redesign cycle. It's the benchmark.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No replies. I think I have my answer and fata it...if you can't beat 'em, join' em. I'm not going to be the only car guy worrying about the environment.

I work from home, or bike to the office. I walk my kid to school. I drive maybe 1500kms a year, and most of the that is accrued by family road trips. Considering the amount of energy it takes to build a new car, to source batteries (with questionable mining practises in places nobody thinks about), and that about half of electricity in Alberta is powered by coal... I feel just fine keeping and occasionally enjoying the living crap out of my gas-guzzler instead. If I had a long commute I might feel different (but knowing that cars are my vice, I'd probably still get something stupid and fun).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No replies. I think I have my answer and fata it...if you can't beat 'em, join' em. I'm not going to be the only car guy worrying about the environment.

In a city like Calgary full of full size pickup trucks I don't think I would worry about the implications of driving a Telluride. That said I just looked and was quite surprised how poor the fuel mileage of the Telluride is (Combined/city/highway: 21/19/24 mpg).

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I work from home, or bike to the office. I walk my kid to school. I drive maybe 1500kms a year, and most of the that is accrued by family road trips. Considering the amount of energy it takes to build a new car, to source batteries (with questionable mining practises in places nobody thinks about), and that about half of electricity in Alberta is powered by coal... I feel just fine keeping and occasionally enjoying the living crap out of my gas-guzzler instead. If I had a long commute I might feel different (but knowing that cars are my vice, I'd probably still get something stupid and fun).

I hear you. I can go through the same thing on my end. My big thing is lack of air travel. That is murder on the environment and I basically live within a circle around Calgary extending to Lake Louise. Last flight was in 2019 to Whistler and my last flight before that was probably a few years prior. A ton of people fly to every vacation they take, which I think is nuts. Also live close to work. Also ride my bike to work a lot. Live in a smaller house. But still, at some point don't we have to just make all of the right environmental choices and not just pick and choose?

The collective effort will make the difference, but I'm currently looking at my TT V8 I drove into the office, so obviously I'm not on a high horse here. Just with the weird heat this summer and the forest fires (again), I figured maybe we were all reflecting a little more than usual on our own consumption.

Buuuuut, I don't fly all that much and I live in a relatively small house, so I'm leaning toward fata it.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by you&me

Sorry, got sidetracked being told what car I shouldn't buy

But based on that, I think you can guess how I feel.

Look, I don't intentionally choose gas guzzlers, but fuel economy does not really factor into my decision. Between my wife and I, in non-COVID years, we drive <15k km, so far less than average.

I have nothing against electric cars and will definitely choose to drive one before they're mandated. However, at this time, either there's nothing available in the segment we need, or the pricing doesn't make for a compelling value prop. Ford announcing the Lightning is one encouraging development.

You?

pshhh. Like I'm going to take advice from a guy that buys a crossover over a wagon.

jk of course.

Yeah, the tech is coming up fast. Too bad the Telluride didn't have the Highlander Hybrid drivetrain. I'd do that in a heartbeat. Too bad I just don't like the Highlander and the third row is useless compared to the Telluride.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Sliver

pshhh. Like I'm going to take advice from a guy that buys a crossover over a wagon.

jk of course.

Yeah, the tech is coming up fast. Too bad the Telluride didn't have the Highlander Hybrid drivetrain. I'd do that in a heartbeat. Too bad I just don't like the Highlander and the third row is useless compared to the Telluride.

I was planning on buying a Highlander Hybrid last year until I climbed into that third row seat.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, some people still think that about Hyundai and KIA, but in fact both brands make great cars at a great value. I stumbled into liking the Telluride one day last year. My wife and I were looking at a used Mercedes GLS 450, which is the MB three row. It was a complete disappointment. Not all that nice inside (2019 model, anyway), and totally cramped for space with a borderline useless third row. I actually hated it and was expecting to love it.

Anyway, we went to every manufacturer to try every three row vehicle and the Telluride was faaaaaar better than all of them. By leaps and bounds. Nothing from Audi, Ford, Honda, BMW, Mazda, etc. (I mean it when I say we put every make on the table) even came close. No comparison whatsoever. And by better I mean the interior layout, space in all rows, the self driving stuff, all the other tech, exterior looks great and the interior is nice (I like the Pallisade interior more, but hate the exterior). The downside is the drivetrain - boring old V6 that's competent but not fast or particularly fun.

For whatever reason I've never been a fan of any one brand of car. I've practically owned them all. Right now, in 2021, the Telluride is my favourite three row vehicle. Wouldn't matter who made it to me. It's designed the best and the great thing about that is the industry knows it, which will give us all better vehicles on the next redesign cycle. It's the benchmark.

We have actually owned 2 Hyundai's over the years (a Santa Fe and a Minivan) both were good vehicles.

I am also looking at the Palisade from Hyundai, which seems to be build on the same platform.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No replies. I think I have my answer and fata it...if you can't beat 'em, join' em. I'm not going to be the only car guy worrying about the environment.

Well my latest vehicle purchase was made with fuel economy in mind. Landed a 2021 F-150 with the hybrid. Just passed 7000km and it's easily getting 10 to 11 l/100km. Figured that was a decent way to offset the thirsty AMG wagon.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm not sure what you guys were expecting from the Highlander given its size. The third row in that thing is basically the back seat in a Mustang - kind of usable if you really need to but mostly might as well not exist.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not sure what you guys were expecting from the Highlander given its size. The third row in that thing is basically the back seat in a Mustang - kind of usable if you really need to but mostly might as well not exist.

I'd agree with you if I had never sat in a Telluride. It has minivan space inside.

Exterior length of a Telluride is 5000mm and the Highlander is 5015mm.

I'm 6'4". I can sit in the third row of the Telluride in comfort. My 5'3" wife couldn't sit in the Highlander's third row comfortably.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'd agree with you if I had never sat in a Telluride. It has minivan space inside.

Exterior length of a Telluride is 5000mm and the Highlander is 5015mm.

I'm 6'4". I can sit in the third row of the Telluride in comfort. My 5'3" wife couldn't sit in the Highlander's third row comfortably.

It also lists itself as 8 passenger, not 7

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

We have actually owned 2 Hyundai's over the years (a Santa Fe and a Minivan) both were good vehicles.

I am also looking at the Palisade from Hyundai, which seems to be build on the same platform.

Yeah, I think mechanically they are identical. The Pallisade has a richer-looking interior that looks much better than the Telluride's interior. If you like the exterior of the Pallisade it's a great vehicle.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It also lists itself as 8 passenger, not 7

You can actually choose between a bench (three seats) for the second row or two captain's chairs.