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Old 12-03-2021, 10:59 AM   #5061
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Ah duh, I didn't think of the overall vaccine effectiveness as well.

Also, most of the ICU cases are come from the southern health region, where the overall vaccine rate is much lower (65% maybe), so that could be tilting it as well.

But looking at Ontario's #s, they seem similar. Not sure why I thought Manitoba was going against trends across the country.

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Old 12-03-2021, 02:13 PM   #5062
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Do we have any stats in Alberta or in Canada as a whole about how the actual number of people in hospital/ICU who are fully vaxxed by age group? I would be curious as to the level of risk for people my parents age in their late 60's and early 70's who are fully vaxxed.

I sometimes catch myself a little over cautious for them but when it comes to the stats and the protection from vaccines in the general population, I am able to rationalize the risk a little better.

Both were vaxxed with Pfizer but on a short interval of 3 and 5 weeks respectably and are due for their booster. Hoping to wait a few more weeks for a stronger boost to power them through.
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Old 12-03-2021, 02:24 PM   #5063
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I'm fully vaccinated and already had covid (before being allowed to get vaccinated) and am in no way paranoid.

However, the government still tells me how many people I can have in my home. I still must wear a mask at work, despite it making my work less effective. I still must take a rapid test twice a week, despite being vaccinated and report the results to my employer. I can't plan a trip for six months from now, or one week from now, without worrying about regulations changing, borders closing, etc. When my father was in the hospital this summer, I was not allowed to visit.

I don't consider any of those things "normal."
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Old 12-03-2021, 02:33 PM   #5064
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I can't plan a trip for six months from now, or one week from now, without worrying about regulations changing, borders closing, etc.
I know "travel is a right and not a privilege" but this one is really wearing people down. Not one person on my team has travelled (and therefore taken a vacation) in 18 months because of this. It's completely wearing on them and you can see it at work.

I don't blame them though, my wife and I were on vacation last week and despite being double vaccinated and having a negative PCR test we were a few days away from getting stuck abroad or being forced to quarantine because of Omicron. I can't say I ever used to worry about being stuck abroad while travelling.
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Do we have any stats in Alberta or in Canada as a whole about how the actual number of people in hospital/ICU who are fully vaxxed by age group? I would be curious as to the level of risk for people my parents age in their late 60's and early 70's who are fully vaxxed.

I sometimes catch myself a little over cautious for them but when it comes to the stats and the protection from vaccines in the general population, I am able to rationalize the risk a little better.

Both were vaxxed with Pfizer but on a short interval of 3 and 5 weeks respectably and are due for their booster. Hoping to wait a few more weeks for a stronger boost to power them through.
Here's BC's numbers right now:



Given the vaccination rate among the older age groups, those numbers would suggest that the effectiveness against ICU admission for 60+ year olds is currently a little over 95%.
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Do we have any stats in Alberta or in Canada as a whole about how the actual number of people in hospital/ICU who are fully vaxxed by age group? I would be curious as to the level of risk for people my parents age in their late 60's and early 70's who are fully vaxxed.
A whole bunch of info for Alberta: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...ccine-outcomes

Scroll down for all sorts of info broken out by age and pre-existing conditions for the last 120 days.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1466874636554100737

It goes on to say 80 - 90 have tested positive.

This looks incredibly depressing. We could be back to square one and in need of new vaccine formulations.

Anyone able to put this into context to make it not seem so bad?
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Old 12-03-2021, 07:24 PM   #5068
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It goes on to say 80 - 90 have tested positive.

This looks incredibly depressing. We could be back to square one and in need of new vaccine formulations.

Anyone able to put this into context to make it not seem so bad?
Will be interested to see how many exhibit serious symptoms and/or hospitalization.
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It goes on to say 80 - 90 have tested positive.

This looks incredibly depressing. We could be back to square one and in need of new vaccine formulations.

Anyone able to put this into context to make it not seem so bad?
You could just read the article to put it into context.

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Health authorities said the individuals infected were so far displaying mild symptoms, with none hospitalised.

"It is still too early to say whether the clinical picture of the disease is different in Omicron infections than in Delta infections," Aavitsland said.

"None of the patients has severe symptoms; none is hospitalised. However, this is not unexpected given the young age of the participants."
If the symptoms are mild, then great. The vaccines are doing what theyíre supposed to be doing.
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I've really tried to stay away from COVID news because it's just straight up depressing (and this is coming from a person who likes the news). All I can really say about the Omicron variant, is I'm glad my mom's latest ICU stay was this past weekend where they had ICU beds available. We have to be so vigilant about COVID and this latest variant is just UGH.
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If the symptoms are mild, then great. The vaccines are doing what theyíre supposed to be doing.
Well obviously that is true. It seems awfully early though to make the conclusion that this variant is milder than delta - although hopefully it is. I also hope that our current vaccines still provide effective protection against severe illness.

Until we know that though, I am continuing with the assumption that increased cases will still lead to severe illness, hospitalization and death.

And this looks incredibly infectious. South Africa is reporting an increase of 468% in cases compared to last week.
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You could just read the article to put it into context.

If the symptoms are mild, then great. The vaccines are doing what they’re supposed to be doing.
If you had 60 unvaxed below 40 1 week post infection. How likely would they to be in Hospital? I’m not sure you can draw any sort of conclusion beyond infectiousness from this party.
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I'm fully vaccinated and already had covid (before being allowed to get vaccinated) and am in no way paranoid.

However, the government still tells me how many people I can have in my home. I still must wear a mask at work, despite it making my work less effective. I still must take a rapid test twice a week, despite being vaccinated and report the results to my employer. I can't plan a trip for six months from now, or one week from now, without worrying about regulations changing, borders closing, etc. When my father was in the hospital this summer, I was not allowed to visit.

I don't consider any of those things "normal."
I agree with this so much. We keep seeing data on how great the vaccine is and despite being vaccinated there is still so much we canít do. I had a once in a lifetime chance to attend the F1 race in Texas but couldnít afford the risk of being stuck in the US for 2 weeks. My mother had a minor stroke and I couldnít be with her in the hospital (this was very hard especially when we didnít no it was minor), my kids are still missing out on all kinds of opportunities, and now with all of us on edge with our Motherís stroke our family canít get together at the holidays. I get sick of people saying how wonderful these vaccines are working, if we canít be with family in times of celebration and tragedy what is the point of an effective vaccine.
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If you had 60 unvaxed below 40 1 week post infection. How likely would they to be in Hospital? Iím not sure you can draw any sort of conclusion beyond infectiousness from this party.
The request was ďAnyone able to put this into context to make it not seem so bad?Ē and I did. People need to stop immediately jumping to the most depressing possible conclusion for news like this.
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The request was “Anyone able to put this into context to make it not seem so bad?” and I did. People need to stop immediately jumping to the most depressing possible conclusion for news like this.
I don’t think you provided context.

I think you implied the conclusion that Omicron is not that bad without evidence/vaccines still prevent severe disease without evidence.

Uncertainty is uncomfortable but it’s where we are.

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I agree with this so much. We keep seeing data on how great the vaccine is and despite being vaccinated there is still so much we canít do. I had a once in a lifetime chance to attend the F1 race in Texas but couldnít afford the risk of being stuck in the US for 2 weeks. My mother had a minor stroke and I couldnít be with her in the hospital (this was very hard especially when we didnít no it was minor), my kids are still missing out on all kinds of opportunities, and now with all of us on edge with our Motherís stroke our family canít get together at the holidays. I get sick of people saying how wonderful these vaccines are working, if we canít be with family in times of celebration and tragedy what is the point of an effective vaccine.
I'm also seeing a lot of people who are double vaccinated and are being refused entry to see their family who might be in the hospital and it is heartbreaking.

Almost all of us will have someone in our immediate or extended family who needs care, either just a hospital visit, emergency, ICU, etc.

A double vaccinated person can't even take their crying child into the emergency and sit with them if they need stitches, or an x-ray for a broken wrist.
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I donít think you provided context.

I think you implied the conclusion that Omicron is not that bad without evidence/vaccines still prevent severe disease without evidence.

Uncertainty is uncomfortable
I don't think its a conclusion at all. He just read the article instead of going by what the headline said.

So far, throughout the entire world, we are seeing only mild symptoms from Omicron. Might not be 'real' evidence, but it is encouraging.
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I don't think its a conclusion at all. He just read the article instead of going by what the headline said.

So far, throughout the entire world, we are seeing only mild symptoms from Omicron. Might not be 'real' evidence, but it is encouraging.
The article including that information provided very limited value without discussion and comparison to age adjusted OG and delta rates. It doesn’t provide context.

The Hospitalization rate in Guetang is going up. This population is highly unvaccinated though so has limited bearing on the vaccinated. This propagation that it’s mild is not founded by any numbers at this point. We don’t know. I think Tuesday the initial studies come out. The base rate fallacy, low rates of identification of omicron through testing body make it impossible for us to draw any conclusions or context.
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Fair enough. But there are encouraging signs for sure. Especially if you think that this was probably out long before it was properly detected.

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No one has died with the new super mutant Omicron Covid variant despite the strain being spotted in 38 countries, the World Health Organization (WHO) has revealed .

The US and Australia became the latest countries to confirm locally transmitted cases of the variant, as Omicron infections pushed South Africa's total cases past three million.
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I'm also seeing a lot of people who are double vaccinated and are being refused entry to see their family who might be in the hospital and it is heartbreaking.



Almost all of us will have someone in our immediate or extended family who needs care, either just a hospital visit, emergency, ICU, etc.



A double vaccinated person can't even take their crying child into the emergency and sit with them if they need stitches, or an x-ray for a broken wrist.
Sad that this may be happening but in the past 2 weeks I've taken my daughter to hospital for an xray and visited my aunt in a long term care facility. Is the visitation/accompaniment hit or miss?
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