Stampede 2021

[woolymammoth]

Imagine if we kept the Covid discussion in the Covid sub forum

[Locke]

Originally Posted by troutman

Calgary Stampede linked to 71 COVID-19 cases
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...?ocid=msedgntp

Are you kidding? I think by any metric thats pretty fantastic.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Well, except for those 71 people - and anyone they came in contact with. Since they were comfortable attending Stampede, I doubt they were being cautious in other areas of their lives. And as everyone kept pointing out, Stampede is mostly outdoors. I wonder how many cases in the bars and party tents?

And? People are going to get covid for a long time.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by woolymammoth

Imagine if we kept the Covid discussion in the Covid sub forum

Or Stampede discussion in the Stampede thread?

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Weitz

And? People are going to get covid for a long time.

Well, I'd appreciate not having my health disregarded for a lame party.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Locke

Are you kidding? I think by any metric thats pretty fantastic.

I made no judgment one way or the other. Just sharing.

That does seem really good by some metrics - others are saying it is premature to state figures.

[woolymammoth]

Originally Posted by troutman

Or Stampede discussion in the Stampede thread?

dont forget to post in the home improvement thread how many cases home improvement stores are responsible for.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Sounds like a made up number.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Sounds like a made up number.

Are you insinuating its the Propaganda Number?

How many Roentgen are we talking about?

Is it not great but not terrible? 3.6?

[getbak]

As someone pointed out on Twitter, Stampede attendance doesn't count separate people, but separate entrances to the park. I don't know how much of an impact that makes, or if people working at the Stampede are counted in the attendance count or not, but it would lower the 500,000+ number to some degree.

Also, we're still within the two week incubation period, so it's probably too early to give a final count.


It would also be interesting to know what the people who got sick did while at the grounds. Did they go to the rodeo/Grandstand show/Nashville North/Coke Stage or did they just walk around the park and avoid the big crowd events? That could help us understand safety for large events going forward, and I hope they're researching that sort of thing.




The other factor is the Stampede related events around the city that weren't specifically at Stampede Park. That includes both sanctioned parties and just general midweek drinking and social activity that increases during Stampede week.

Last year, there was no official Stampede at the grounds, but a lot of people still said "screw it, I'm still going to 'Stampede' like normal" and there was a spike in COVID cases in the following weeks. We're seeing that again this year. Cases in Alberta -- and especially Calgary -- are up over the last week. Exactly 2 weeks ago, the entire province had 560 active cases. Today, Calgary alone has 725.


If that increase in cases seems to be tied to people socializing more during Stampede week, but not specifically to those who went to the grounds, that's good evidence that vaccine passports and rapid testing for the unvaccinated could be the best answer for returning to normal. It would also be a good sign that large events with thousands of strangers aren't as much of a problem as smaller gatherings of friends and family.


I just hope that this information can be evaluated objectively and not politicized to draw whatever foregone conclusion people have already made.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Well, I'd appreciate not having my health disregarded for a lame party.

I'm no Stampede fan, but every public gathering is at the expense of our health.

There is two sides to the "just the flu" coin. One is downplaying how bad COVID is, and the other is disregarding just how much sickness, suffering and death are caused by things like influenza, RSV, etc.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Well, I'd appreciate not having my health disregarded for a lame party.

Did you go to Stampede? Do you have friends that went to the Stampede that you continued to see in the last two weeks? Are you not yet fully vaccinated? Do you go out in public spaces needlessly without taking whatever precautions make you feel safer?

I can answer no to all the above, and that's what I can control about my health and any risk hereto. I suggest you do the same instead of insisting people adhere to your specific risk tolerance while their behavior falls within public health guidelines.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by getbak

The other factor is the Stampede related events around the city that weren't specifically at Stampede Park. That includes both sanctioned parties and just general midweek drinking and social activity that increases during Stampede week.

Ya this and the fact that it's basically a week too early to make the call is the reason why this number seems suspect to me.

"only 71 people got infected with COVID [while on the stampede grounds]" is not quite the same as the "only new 71 people got infected at stampede" talking point they are putting out there. I thought one of the main attractions of Stampede was that it is a city-wide event? Seems like their definition of "at stampede" is just a little bit narrow.

I just hope that this information can be evaluated objectively and not politicized to draw whatever foregone conclusion people have already made.

Sadly I think that ship has sailed. Robson Fletcher (CBC) was saying on Twitter last night that AHS has always been very good about answering questions about the stats and numbers, or getting back to reporters when they don't have the information on hand - but in this case they've basically ignored any questions they don't like.

[CroFlames]

That's a decent piece of advice from Sliver. Just drink whenever/wherever if you want.

If you drink 10 times in a park and get fined $100 once, that's like paying $10/outing for the privilege of drinking in a park.

Decent tradeoff IMO.

[Torture]

Take it with a grain of salt of course...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1420437087740825600

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That's a decent piece of advice from Sliver. Just drink whenever/wherever if you want.

If you drink 10 times in a park and get fined $100 once, that's like paying $10/outing for the privilege of drinking in a park.

Decent tradeoff IMO.

Ahhh, the prototypical Calgary Transit user version of not bothering to ever pay methodology I see.

[getbak]

Surprise, surprise, the numbers released the other day weren't final...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1421230963741310982


I'm not sure if the 31 out of province cases are included in the 113 total or separate.

[Weitz]

Nothing wrong with those numbers.