That episode was a big step backwards. Seeing the D7 battle cruiser was indeed cool, but other than that one moment, I have absolutely zero interest in the Klingon plot line on this show. From a story perspective, it's kinda boring, dumb, messy, and just...meh.
And I'm still not a big fan of the makeup and voices for these Klingons. You can tell they purposely tried to make them look slightly more traditional for this season (the forehead ridges in particular), but they still don't really look or sound like they're supposed to IMO, which is kind of annoying and takes me out of the story.
I really wish they'd get back to the kind of mission oriented stand-alone episodes like last week. Do more of those and I'll happily continue to tune in. But if they keep churning out sub-par episodes like tonight, I'm gonna lose interest very quickly. The Orville is kicking this show's ass right now.
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I get that, but its what really made me lose interest in TNG in the later years where it became the Picard and Data show and everyone else was pretty much furniture.
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Honestly DS9 did a really good job with the whole Section 31 thing, I really enjoyed that story line.
I guess I would have trouble with any series though that a clandestine group with a motto of any road to victory and no moral center as the protagonists.
I also just can't get into Michelle Yeoh having her own series mainly because she was so terrible.
Tonights episode was ok, I liked the main story line of it.
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The idea of a 100,000 year old life form trying desperately to download its knowledge to be remembered is an interesting idea, my biggest worry is that they're going to use that database as an ultimate cheat for the rest of the season. Red Angel, oh wait its right here in the database and has appeared this many times and did this and this is why.
I do like the idea that we're seeing the end of the spore drive for the reason that its destroying the natural habitat of a sentient species. But I remember in TNG when they discovered that the use of warp drives in system was incredibly damaging and then frankly forgot about it.
I laughed at the whole Michael cutting off Saru's Ganglia because I expected her to keep them and cook them for dinner later. Did she ever tell Saru that she ate one of his kind?
So Tilly vanished into the great vagina looking mold?
Green's acting this year has just been terrible as she just can't pull off emotions. Mount is a highlight of this season.
Nice link to TOS with Number 1 showing up.
Like I said, it wasn't bad, it wasn't as good as the episode from a couple of weeks ago. That snarly engineer was funny at first but she might wear thin.
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Pretty good episode last night. Saru is arguably the best character on the show at this point, followed closely by Captain Pike. Doug Jones and Anson Mount are both terrific.
I enjoyed last night's episode. I thought the translator virus was a great idea and I don't remember seeing it on Trek before. It makes sense that in a world of universal translators, no one would bother learning another language.
I'm pretty forgiving with Discovery and Trek in general. I just like it. But the Klingon makeup aggravates me. It's so bulky and disjointed. TNG created so many distinct races with some actual depth (sorry TOS), I don't know why the show runners thought they need to stray from it.
Hopefully we get a "new" faction of the Klingon Empire that follows the old/warrior ways and they go back to looking like Klingons should.
I enjoyed last night's episode. I thought the translator virus was a great idea and I don't remember seeing it on Trek before. It makes sense that in a world of universal translators, no one would bother learning another language.
I'm pretty forgiving with Discovery and Trek in general. I just like it. But the Klingon makeup aggravates me. It's so bulky and disjointed. TNG created so many distinct races with some actual depth (sorry TOS), I don't know why the show runners thought they need to stray from it.
Hopefully we get a "new" faction of the Klingon Empire that follows the old/warrior ways and they go back to looking like Klingons should.
I actually cringed hard at the whole universal translator thing because I think it was a couple of weeks ago that they really emphasized the Federation Standard or common language. You would think that on a Federation Starship that you would have to be able to speak federation standard to prevent something like this from happening.
Out of that whole episode the translater thing really grated me the most, I don't know if they meant it to be comedy or what, but there were better ways to go.
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The show is project runway meets JJ Abrams lens flare. Every once in a while they will have some cool story or character stuff. It feels like they are trying too hard for a PC modern office vibe - like what every dreamy eyed HR person thinks the modern workplace is. Entitlement and accommodation for all! Romulans, Klingons and even Andorians would crush this melodramatic version of TFoP pretty quickly IMO.
The second half of last season was watchable. But how the Klingons stole defeat from the mouth of victory was stupid. Noted conquerers, yet they tripped over themselves at the finish line.
I'll stick to DS9. At least there they drowned the corny episodes with heavy introspection, tons of defeat and gloom.
When's the next season of the Expanse popping up on Amazon, again.
I actually cringed hard at the whole universal translator thing because I think it was a couple of weeks ago that they really emphasized the Federation Standard or common language. You would think that on a Federation Starship that you would have to be able to speak federation standard to prevent something like this from happening.
Out of that whole episode the translater thing really grated me the most, I don't know if they meant it to be comedy or what, but there were better ways to go.
But the virus was making them "speak" different languages. Not their native languages. So it's likely the case that there is a native, universal language but the translator was forcing random languages on them.
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I just caught up on this last night. Why do they keep going to the Spock well? Leave it alone!
This show would be so much better, and make so much more sense if it came after TNG. As it is they come up with all these ideas, some of them even interesting, but in the time frame we are supposed to be operating in it doesn't make any sense. They had no reason to set the series when they did. Leave the past in the past.
And all the Klingon stuff is just bad. Queen whatsit sounds like she is talking through a silicone breast implant. They look silly. The voices are annoying. And I just don't care at all about the story, but you know it's going to go on and on becuase they pretend it is important.
I really want this show to be good, but it feels like I'm watching Walking Dead around season 4 and later. you know there is a lot of potential, but they keep donkeying it up.
That being said this last episode was better, and at least had some sci-fi concepts to it. But they try to cram to many stories into an episode. A whole episode dedicated to the one core concept would have flowed better.
The episode this week was meh at best. Plot was all over the place.
-Save a species in spore land from a monster.
-Reincarnation of a dead crew mate through a cacoon
-Section 31
-Black Ops
-Search for Spock because the dude has a connection with 7 red dots
-Human living with a Klingon spirit and being a Klingon love slave is back in SF
-Love for Tilly
Love the visuals but too much going on and not enough time for character development
They really need to stop craning so many storylines into one episode all the time, it actually causes people to miss out on details.
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Ok, we're going to jump halfway into spore city? WTF, seriously. That would be equivalent to saying, I'm going to stick my head in the 5th dimension. Or better yet, I'm just going to stick my head in this time portal so my a$$ is today and my head is .500 years ahead of time. And suddenly the realm becomes this physical manifestation of size that looks like a lake.
Are they borgifying section 31? What made section 31 a cool concept in DS9 is that they worked in the shadows, they were manipulative, and they seemed to be an intelligence organization out of control.
Instead now, we have section 31 liaisons, they're walking around with black badges flashing them to everyone, and everyone knows who they are and what they do. Come on man.
I don't know if I care all that much about the search for Spock anymore, I'm sure that he'll get on board and start talking about the signals and Michael will cut him off with her better idea. She does that to everyone. They start talking and she totally cuts them off or shoves them away from a console.
Tilly wasn't bad in the episode, I hope this is the fricken end of the Mae character and Starfleet puts an end to the spore drive.
Can they just leave people dead, in a show with too many lame characters they have to bring back Hugh? I mean come on after a while when you kill off characters for emotional effect and then bring the back, the audience will stop caring. This is after the whole Saru thing with the emotional bridge scene as he goes off to die and then sheds his cowardly lion mane and becomes a man.
I had hope for this, the one episode was really good and simple in the church. But the rest has been a freaking chaotic mess with Michael being the Doctor Zee from Battlestar Galactica of this series.
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Another weak episode crammed with too many storylines. I love Trek and I'm generally a patient guy when it comes to the overall franchise, but I'm just about done with this show. Hopefully the upcoming Picard series can somehow revive the brand, because it's currently taking a beating with the painfully mediocre Discovery.
Another weak episode crammed with too many storylines. I love Trek and I'm generally a patient guy when it comes to the overall franchise, but I'm just about done with this show. Hopefully the upcoming Picard series can somehow revive the brand, because it's currently taking a beating with the painfully mediocre Discovery.
Am I the only one here who thinks season one stank so bad, and season two has been awesome?
Am I the only one here who thinks season one stank so bad, and season two has been awesome?
It's definitely better than season 1, I'll give it that. And the visuals/effects are well done. But overall it's just not a very good show IMO, despite some decent performances.
Am I the only one here who thinks season one stank so bad, and season two has been awesome?
Season one was complete stank, season two is better, well parts of it are better.
Pike and Saru are the highlight performers on the show, whenever Pike steps in for those brief moments you get sanity.
I don't know who decided to make Michael's character change from her proto Vulcan of last year, but she's such a terrible actress when it comes to portraying emotions of any kind that it almost pulls you right out of the show. And the whole super genius who makes the rest of the crew look sub intelligent because she's awesome is annoying as hell.
The other thing I noticed. The one thing that I really liked was at the first few episodes of the season they tried to flesh out the rest of the bridge crew, make them seem like more then cardboard cutouts, but last night they abandoned that. Frankly they could CGI people into the bridge doing Empire work and nobody would care.
To me what makes good episodic TV is that you can take the main plot point from start to end and it makes sense. The problem here is they've got a billion plot points, the Red Angel, Spocks insanity, the Klingons, section 31, Tilly's story line, Michael and her messed up family, all interspersing and then they throw more plot lines in. Its almost like the writers are just throwing flash cards at a sticky board and the ones that stick are that weeks episode.
Its almost like this series is actually written by Steven King with a concussion.
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Am I the only one here who thinks season one stank so bad, and season two has been awesome?
I actually like this season as well. People complaining about this could make the same arguments against STTNG. I didn’t think season 1 was the catastrophe it is being made out to be, it could have been tightened up but it was still enjoyable and watchable. I am not expecting Breaking Bad or The Wire here.
