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Old 09-12-2017, 04:55 PM   #3281
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Also Bettman is here for this. #yyc #NHL

Oh yay. Is he going to offer to be the neutral third party that facilitates their negotiation again?
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:56 PM   #3282
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How does King still have a job?
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I've generally been supportive of a new arena collaboration, but this is stupid. Screw you Calgary Flames, go move to Seattle. Whine and complain because we won't give you half a billion dollars+? Thanks for pushing me to vote for Nenshi again when I seriously was considering options.
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:57 PM   #3284
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Did you know British novels are sometimes "translated" into American English for publication in the USA, but left in the original for Canada? There's a reason for that, and it's not because Canadians are smarter enough to know a "boot" is a car's trunk.
Right. It's because British publishers like to keep all Commonwealth rights, including Canada, and sell the British editions of their books here, while auctioning the U.S. rights to American publishers. Whereas American publishers like to keep North American rights, and sell the American editions here, while auctioning the overseas rights. It has absolutely squat to do with Canadian culture.
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Brad Treliving and Glen Gulutzan must hate the timing of this. I guess never a good time though.
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I wouldn't say this at all.

the "younger generation" is far more global and will flock to the sport that provides, to them, the most entertainment. That generally means the best players in the sport, whether that is hockey, soccer, football, baseball, basketball, anything.
All professional sports leagues (including the NHL) are having problems attracting and keeping younger fans. Focusing on a game for 3 hours just doesn't suit the modern entertainment lifestyle.
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:00 PM   #3287
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From Nenshi's campaign website

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A new arena - I support a new arena, and certainly there is enormous benefit in having a NHL team and an arena in the downtown core, but it has to be the right deal for Calgarians - a made-in-Calgary solution that meets our unique needs during this fragile economic recovery. Built north of the Saddledome, in the heart of Victoria Park, a new arena could host sporting events and concerts throughout the year. I believe that we can develop a win/win funding model that works for both the taxpayer and CSEC (the owners of the Flames). The funding model must be based on the principle of public benefit for public money. The City will never walk away from the table and I will work hard to reach the right deal.
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Old 09-12-2017, 05:03 PM   #3289
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CSEC is really bad with the media, and KK is the worst mouthpiece you could possibly have. It's perfectly reasonable to not jump on anything KK has presented to this point (as much as we want it to happen). He's been beyond incompetent.

Really feels like they don't give a #### about the fans when they come out and say things like this. Putting their egos and pissing match with Nenshi ahead of the fans.
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This pretty much eliminated any sympathy I had towards the ownership team in this process.


Nenshi just puts out a video and statement expressing that they should be able to come to a deal with cooler heads prevailing and we get this the very next day?

Come on.

I'll cheer for the players in Seattle, but I won't be buying tickets!
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Why do people think that the BS on Nenshi's campaign site is any different than the BS coming from KK/owners?

He says that he's for a rink, as long as it provides public benefit, and then says that a rink doesn't provide public benefit if it uses any public dollars.

Both sides are full of ego and bs, no need to vilify only the owners because Nenshi's a better wordsmith.
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Why do people think that the BS on Nenshi's campaign site is any different than the BS coming from KK/owners?

He says that he's for a rink, as long as it provides public benefit, and then says that a rink doesn't provide public benefit if it uses any public dollars.

Both sides are full of ego and bs, no need to vilify only the owners because Nenshi's a better wordsmith.
one side is presented as open, the other closed.

BS or not, it's all about optics at that point
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Why do people think that the BS on Nenshi's campaign site is any different than the BS coming from KK/owners?
Maybe it's because the city has actually been been going over and above what they should be doing to help get a deal done.
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I've been trying to avoid this topic for as long as possible, so apologize for the ignorance but how did oiler ownership and Edmonton come to a compromise on the topic of new arena funding?

Can't it be used as a framework to a solution??
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Maybe it's because the city has actually been been going over and above what they should be doing to help get a deal done.
What actually has the city been doing, other than saying no?
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I've been trying to avoid this topic for as long as possible, so apologize for the ignorance but how did oiler ownership and Edmonton come to a compromise on the topic of new arena funding?

Can't it be used as a framework to a solution??
Sort of a different situation. They wanted to renew their downtown core. Calgary doesn't need that so the appetite for an arena deal isn't as there.
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I've been trying to avoid this topic for as long as possible, so apologize for the ignorance but how did oiler ownership and Edmonton come to a compromise on the topic of new arena funding?

Can't it be used as a framework to a solution??
Katz said he wanted a bunch of free money, and Mandel helped him beat the council down to accept it.
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Football isn't dying so I don't know what that comment was about but the bolded is correct. This is why the Stamps want to go to a new indoor stadium as they are lagging with younger fans. I don't blame younger fans for not getting excited about the prospects of paying to watch a game in an archaic facility like McMahon or freeze their rear ends off in the fall. $10 or 20 million isn't remotely close to accomplishing anything so you are dreaming if you think that's what is "needed". The issue is that it's going to cost $80+ million and that is just a waste of money.
Football isn't dying, but the CFl is and action needs to be taken. Sure Saskatchewan and Winnipeg might have bit crowds in Their brand new stadiums, but it's dying in the major centers. I'm 35, work in a large office setting, and I can't think of a single person under 40 who cares about th CFL. NFL on the other hand, multiple office pools, viewing parties, Monday night football wings, etc.

3/4 of my office wouldn't take tickets to a Stamps Game for free. That's pretty sad. New building might change that for a few years, but it will be right back to the 28k hardcores that keep this team going assuming they haven't passed away by then or can even afford the jacked up ticket prices in the new stadium.

A new football stadium for this city should be nothing but an after thought although that hurts me to say that as a huge Stamps supporter and season ticket holder.

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Here comes the Seattle move threat
No problem Seattle. We'll trade you the Flames for your Amazon head quarters.
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