2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[activeStick]

Last night would have been the perfect opportunity for a guy like Benning to make a controversial deal and slip it under the radar. Too bad...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If the team is deadset on having Lindholm at center then I think you could look at a more balanced forward lines group with two forward lines that are more defensive oriented with defensive zone starts, and two forward lines that are more sheltered with offensive zone starts.

Tough Matchup Defensive Starts:
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Simon/Nordstrom - Backlund - Ryan

Sheltered Offensive Starts:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Leivo
Lucic - Bennett - Dube

Honestly feel like you could probably roll those 4 lines pretty evenly at 5v5 (12-14 minutes), with the top guys making up their TOI on PP & PK. Feel like it's pretty balanced and with smart coaching in terms of utilization you probably are in pretty good shape.

I know Lindholm is great defensively, but I'd be interested in seeing that Lindholm line get offensive starts, and that Bennett line get defensive starts. I think the latter could really thrive with the added transition of a 200 foot game, and the former could thrive with the added cycling of offensive starts (not that I'd call them "sheltered").

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I know Lindholm is great defensively, but I'd be interested in seeing that Lindholm line get offensive starts, and that Bennett line get defensive starts. I think the latter could really thrive with the added transition of a 200 foot game, and the former could thrive with the added cycling of offensive starts (not that I'd call them "sheltered").

I'd love to be able to isolate the advanced stats by zone start type.

Could be some strategy in putting some of your stronger transition players in the defensive zone starts, and your more cycling grinding types (Tkachuk comes to mind) as guys that start in the offensive zone.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'd love to be able to isolate the advanced stats by zone start type.

Could be some strategy in putting some of your stronger transition players in the defensive zone starts, and your more cycling grinding types (Tkachuk comes to mind) as guys that start in the offensive zone.

There's also the fact that if you start in the offensive zone, and the play goes the other way, you have to backcheck hard, and even if you do get the puck back, you're probably tired and going to dump-and-change.

If you start in the defensive zone, you're probably playing on fresh legs, and when you do make a mistake, you can probably recover on those fresh legs. And if you get a transition opportunity, you can probably afford to make a play.

It's a bit counterintuitive, but I feel people shouldn't assume defensive zone starts mean harder minutes, or that offensive zone starts mean sheltered minutes. Who you're out there against (The other team's equivalent to a 3M line might be a tougher deployment versus their equivalent to a Monahan line that prefers to score on the rush anyways) and which D pair you're out there with probably matters way more in terms of so-called sheltering.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What about Kotkaniemi+Drouin?

Drouin is not performing to his draft potential, but still has undeniable skill and may work in a supporting role here. Kotka gives us a shot at a #1C.

Mangiapane-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Drouin-Monahan-Dube
Bennett-Backlund-Leivo
Lucic-Ryan-Nordstrom/Simon
Kotka marinating a bit longer in AHL...

I thought the reason they traded Domi was because of Suzuki and Kotkaniemi taking a step forward. They would definitely move Drouin but that does nothing for the Flames but downgrade at the same position.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

There's also the fact that if you start in the offensive zone, and the play goes the other way, you have to backcheck hard, and even if you do get the puck back, you're probably tired and going to dump-and-change.

If you start in the defensive zone, you're probably playing on fresh legs, and when you do make a mistake, you can probably recover on those fresh legs. And if you get a transition opportunity, you can probably afford to make a play.

It's a bit counterintuitive, but I feel people shouldn't assume defensive zone starts mean harder minutes, or that offensive zone starts mean sheltered minutes. Who you're out there against (The other team's equivalent to a 3M line might be a tougher deployment versus their equivalent to a Monahan line that prefers to score on the rush anyways) and which D pair you're out there with probably matters way more in terms of so-called sheltering.

I agree.

What if we lose most of the offensive draws and can’t get the puck back before it is cleared and the play goes the other way?

What if we are a team that is highly efficient on the rush in transition?

How important are offensive zone starts then?

Obviously you want them but it makes one wonder.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I agree.

What if we lose most of the offensive draws and can’t get the puck back before it is cleared and the play goes the other way?

What if we are a team that is highly efficient on the rush in transition?

How important are offensive zone starts then?

Obviously you want them but it makes one wonder.

Since a good team wins about 52% of its draws, and a poor face off team wins about 48%, your scenario isn’t relevant.

Players that start in the offensive zone have an advantage.


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[Nelson]

On the Fan 960's website, I listened to Eric Francis' radio spot: "Eric Francis talks Flames' goaltending and their d-corps."

At the beginning, he talks about an interview with Geoff Ward.

Apparently, Geoff Ward wants Lindholm and Bennett at centre.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Nelson

On the Fan 960's website, I listened to Eric Francis' radio spot: "Eric Francis talks Flames' goaltending and their d-corps."

At the beginning, he talks about an interview with Geoff Ward.

Apparently, Geoff Ward wants Lindholm and Bennett at centre.

Maybe one of Ryan or Monahan to gets shifted to wing then? I don't hate the idea of trying Monahan at wing and lessening his defensive responsibilities.

Could see a pretty even split of ice time for the top three lines.

[Harry Lime]

I'm warming to the Monahan at wing idea, and playing his off-wing would allow for a very quick and sneaky release.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Monahan
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Dube-Bennett-Leivo
Lucic-Ryan-Simon
Nordstrom

Hanifin-Andersson
Giordano-Kylington
Valimaki-Tanev
Nestorov

Markstrom
Rittich

The bottom six forwards, bottom pairing and goaltending tandem are miles ahead of last year. There could be some serious evening out of 5v5 minutes top to bottom. I really like the idea of Tanev and Gio in mentor roles for what could become a pairing down the road, of Valimaki-Kylington.

[djsFlames]

Yeah I think that's worth a try.

As 960 has pointed out a few times, BT made it sound like they have plans to move Elias to center this year and see if it catches.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I'm warming to the Monahan at wing idea, and playing his off-wing would allow for a very quick and sneaky release.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Monahan
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Dube-Bennett-Leivo
Lucic-Ryan-Simon
Nordstrom

Hanifin-Andersson
Giordano-Kylington
Valimaki-Tanev
Nestorov

Markstrom
Rittich

The bottom six forwards, bottom pairing and goaltending tandem are miles ahead of last year. There could be some serious evening out of 5v5 minutes top to bottom. I really like the idea of Tanev and Gio in mentor roles for what could become a pairing down the road, of Valimaki-Kylington.

I really like the look of these lines and would like to see them given a chance.

[Pickle Juice]

Matt Dumba for Backlund seems like perfect trade to me.

Chucky Lindholm Mangia
Johnny Money Leivo
Lucic Bennett Dube
Nordstrom Ryan Simon

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Dumba
Valimaki Tanev

Markstrom
Rittich

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Matt Dumba for Backlund seems like perfect trade to me.

Chucky Lindholm Mangia
Johnny Money Leivo
Lucic Bennett Dube
Nordstrom Ryan Simon

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Dumba
Valimaki Tanev

Markstrom
Rittich

Nah, I think our defence is going to be fine without a Dumba.

Valimaki will bring that and more, eventually.

We need Backlund more, until we have his replacement in the ranks.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Matt Dumba for Backlund seems like perfect trade to me.

Chucky Lindholm Mangia
Johnny Money Leivo
Lucic Bennett Dube
Nordstrom Ryan Simon

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Dumba
Valimaki Tanev

Markstrom
Rittich

Backlund is still a very important piece on this team in my opinion

[bubbsy]

If Lindholm is at C I can't help but think there's a another move pending....

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If Lindholm is at C I can't help but think there's a another move pending....

I hope its Ryan. I want to see what 3 Good to great centers can do on the team. I feel we have good cheap 4th line centers in the system. And Backs and Lindholm can both PK and PP.

Ryan is a good player, but he isn't resigning in Calgary and is 2 expensive

[scobel]

What if you moved Ryan to the wing. Could use that right shot on the right side. Maybe....
Chucky Lindholm Eat bread
Gaudreau Monahan Leivo
Simon/Nordstrom Backlund Ryan
Lucic Bennett Dube

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If Lindholm is at C I can't help but think there's a another move pending....

I hope its Ryan. I want to see what 3 Good to great centers can do on the team. I feel we have good cheap 4th line centers in the system. And Backs and Lindholm can both PK and PP.

Ryan is a good player, but he isn't resigning in Calgary and is 2 expensive

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Matt Dumba for Backlund seems like perfect trade to me.

Chucky Lindholm Mangia
Johnny Money Leivo
Lucic Bennett Dube
Nordstrom Ryan Simon

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Dumba
Valimaki Tanev

Markstrom
Rittich

Makes absolute no sense for the aging Wild.