2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why? that is the offer...he never signed it

But it sounds like the AAV is not the sticking point in the negotiation.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But it sounds like the AAV is not the sticking point in the negotiation.

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Lets wait until there is an actual deal before calling things...besides he is not on the UFA market...if he gets there 8.5-9 could happen easily but only 7 years.

[powderjunkie]

Recent 31 thoughts podcast they mentioned how Piets may have been frustrated to see newcomers like Faullk and Schenn get deals relatively easily, while they are nickel and diming him. Which is completely understandable, and at this point Alex should see what else is out there. He can always come back (e.g. Stamkos).

That tweet sure makes it sound contentious, but we really don't know. STL has every right to hold firm on their line and let AP explore other options.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Recent 31 thoughts podcast they mentioned how Piets may have been frustrated to see newcomers like Faullk and Schenn get deals relatively easily, while they are nickel and diming him. Which is completely understandable, and at this point Alex should see what else is out there. He can always come back (e.g. Stamkos).

That tweet sure makes it sound contentious, but we really don't know. STL has every right to hold firm on their line and let AP explore other options.

they have the right but it isn't a smart move IMO...you lose him and end up spending almost as much on an inferior player to replace him

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Recent 31 thoughts podcast they mentioned how Piets may have been frustrated to see newcomers like Faullk and Schenn get deals relatively easily, while they are nickel and diming him. Which is completely understandable, and at this point Alex should see what else is out there. He can always come back (e.g. Stamkos).

That tweet sure makes it sound contentious, but we really don't know. STL has every right to hold firm on their line and let AP explore other options.

When Faulk and Schenn signed deals they weren't possibly looking at a season without gate revenue either. If Petro can't see that difference, he's not very smart and taking it way too personally.

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I could see the Canucks going hard for Pietrangelo. Him and Hughes for 4-5 years would be quite the combo.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Icon

I could see the Canucks going hard for Pietrangelo. Him and Hughes for 4-5 years would be quite the combo.

I don't see how they could make it work. The Canucks are already chafing at the cap.

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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

When Faulk and Schenn signed deals they weren't possibly looking at a season without gate revenue either. If Petro can't see that difference, he's not very smart and taking it way too personally.

I’m sure he sees the difference, but he’s in a position to make $60M, so it’s not his job to care about the Blues.

He won them a championship, he doesn’t owe the team anything.

Pay him or don’t. Someone will.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Icon

I could see the Canucks going hard for Pietrangelo. Him and Hughes for 4-5 years would be quite the combo.

With what cap space exactly?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Depends on how Flames management view Lindholm. If they like him up the middle, then the 4 centers up the middle would be Lindholm-Backlund-Bennett-Ryan.

Too bad Treliving and co missed their chance on Ryan O’Reilly. That package from St Louis to Buffalo was an absolute joke. The Flames could’ve easily made a better offer and this organization would finally have their elite Selke winning #1 center.


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Let’s not forget the 7.5 million dollar bonus owed to O’Rielly that St. Louis picked up as part of that deal. I suspect your criticism should be directed at Flames ownership, not Treliving. I find it hard to believe Treliving wouldn’t have pursued the player. He basically checked all the boxes from a Flames standpoint.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't even know what to say to this, you seem quite delusional.

And I'd say you're the delusional one if you think both Gaudreau and Monahan will both be back next season. How does a $5.35M number 3 center make sense for this team with a flat cap anyway? You're also suggesting Treliving go into next season with 3 brand new lines that have never been seen before and somehow expecting it'll all work because that's where they're ideally slotted. This isn't a video game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Let’s not forget the 7.5 million dollar bonus owed to O’Rielly that St. Louis picked up as part of that deal. I suspect your criticism should be directed at Flames ownership, not Treliving. I find it hard to believe Treliving wouldn’t have pursued the player. He basically checked all the boxes from a Flames standpoint.

At the time I thought Backlund, Bennett and a pick for ROR and Reinhart might be doable. Reinhart at the time was still seen as a semi-bust (like Bennett). ROR was seen as a bad contract (hah).

[1_Flames_Fan]

Open the vault for Pietrangelo(sp.)

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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

And I'd say you're the delusional one if you think both Gaudreau and Monahan will both be back next season. How does a $5.35M number 3 center make sense for this team with a flat cap anyway? You're also suggesting Treliving go into next season with 3 brand new lines that have never been seen before and somehow expecting it'll all work because that's where they're ideally slotted. This isn't a video game.

I would be willing to bet both Gaudreau and Monahan will be Flames come the start of next season.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At the time I thought Backlund, Bennett and a pick for ROR and Reinhart might be doable. Reinhart at the time was still seen as a semi-bust (like Bennett). ROR was seen as a bad contract (hah).

I was hoping the Flames would have acquired him at the time as well.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Let’s not forget the 7.5 million dollar bonus owed to O’Rielly that St. Louis picked up as part of that deal. I suspect your criticism should be directed at Flames ownership, not Treliving. I find it hard to believe Treliving wouldn’t have pursued the player. He basically checked all the boxes from a Flames standpoint.

Well during that time period, the Flames were too busy signing James Neal/Derek Ryan and a week prior, Treliving had just completed a trade for Lindholm and Hanifin.

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't see how they could make it work. The Canucks are already chafing at the cap.

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GMs have made worse situations work. Not saying it's a sure thing at all, nor is anything in free agency

[dino7c]

Its easy for us to say this guy and that guy are equivalent for the Flames but Buffalo obviously liked something about the Blues Package (giggity)

I'm sure a lot of teams wish the got ROR now...lets not forget he wasn't the player his is now at the time of the trade

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Icon

GMs have made worse situations work. Not saying it's a sure thing at all, nor is anything in free agency

Canucks have some MASSIVE contracts coming up...they can't sign a 8x7 deal with a no trade to a UFA

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

And I'd say you're the delusional one if you think both Gaudreau and Monahan will both be back next season. How does a $5.35M number 3 center make sense for this team with a flat cap anyway? You're also suggesting Treliving go into next season with 3 brand new lines that have never been seen before and somehow expecting it'll all work because that's where they're ideally slotted. This isn't a video game.

It's not like the combos I've suggested have never played together.

Gaudreau and Monahan have had a ton of success together that you are writing off over 1 poor season.

Tkachuk and Lindholm play together on the PP and Lindholm and Mangiapane played together a little when Tkachuk was injured in the playoffs.

Bennett and Backlund have played together on many occasions. Dube has played with Bennett and had success, Mangiapane has played with Backlund, witch success.

You're right this isn't a video game, yet here you are trying to slot in Lindholm who has never played a full season in the NHL at center as the teams #1 center because you think he will be an upgrade to the guy of the same age with 7 years at center and has outscored him by almost 100 points in their careers.

I love Lindholm, but dropping him in as the #1C and expecting success is nothing short of delusional.