[PGT] Blues Jackets hammer another nail in the Flames coffin 5-2.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think Flames fans are some of the more resilient fans in the NHL. No matter how bad things get, we jump right back on the bandwagon as soon as the Flames win a couple of games.

I believe that's 'Stockholm Syndrome.'

Anyhoodles...winning is fun but this team? Sell.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GoatMonkey

For a while there, the team was fun to watch, and they were getting decent results (considering). Not anymore--just horrible.

I know he's not the (main) problem, but I can't wait for Markstrom to be a memory.

Not the main problem? He's probably the team's MVP this year. He's been great.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yip. They're just pointing out what we have known for a long time.

[ComixZone]

I’m super sauced and still out getting more…sauced.

But wtf…they actually lost tonight?

Woof.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GoatMonkey

I disagree. I think chuckles was gone the moment he signed the bridge, and the cards fell just right for him to bail early.

I don't think that it was necessarily Tkachuk's plan to leave. Apparently he was happy to sign an 8 year deal, but to bring back the same team, Treliving opted for a bridge instead. Maybe Treliving didn't want the 8x9 (rumoured at the time), as it was too much risk for Tkachuk? Treliving played hardball with the RFAs to the point most of his RFA re-signings were trotted out as big wins for the organization, while the UFA re-signings were big losses.



Anyway, that bridge did, however, give him all the power in the world, and after Gaudreau left, he exercised that power. There were a tonne of posts in that signing thread that worried about it.


I think after Gaudreau left, it just helped push Tkachuk in that direction. Maybe he made up his mind after the covid seasons when he couldn't cross the border? Maybe he realized that Calgary needed another high-end player or two, not one less, and felt that the team was taking too big of a step back? Probably a combination of things, including being able to pick his spot. Heck, maybe Bennett got in his ear about how fun life was in Florida, and how the move was a huge breath of fresh air for him.



All I know is that he was willing to sign here originally long-term, was instead given a contract that made him a (for all intents and purposes) a UFA rather than an RFA, and he exercised that leverage to the maximum.

[browna]

A pathetic 6-14 now when wearing Blasty the last two seasons after bringing it on as an official alternate jersey.

Scheduled for another 4 or 5 games this year as well.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This game is just further evidence that a rebuild needs to happen.


Calgary basically needs to out-work every team they play to get a W, with few exceptions in recent memory (Arizona being one of them). A bad bounce here or there that costs a goal is almost as good as a nail in the coffin, and that's what happened tonight. Calgary let their foot off of the gas, and Columbus just took advantage of it.


One more 'easy' game before the all-star break, but to a team that has some kind of a win streak going against Calgary for some reason.



Calgary just doesn't have enough top-end players. They need to play pedal to the metal at all times against most teams. Great teams have franchise-type players that can quickly turn a game, which is why they are called game-breakers. I love Coleman, and Sharangovich has been fantastic after his slow start, but these guys should be headlining the depth, rather than being the goal scoring leaders of the team.


Good amount of youth pushing up. Scouting and development is top-notch. I am not worried about this franchise being able to turn it around, but I do believe that "Will the Flames rebuild" is turning into "when the Flames rebuild".



Listening to Barn Burner earlier in the day, Boomer, Pinder and Warrener were all in agreement that if the Flames still believe in themselves, that they would play hard this game and get a W. Didn't happen, and we all saw them lift their foot off the gas for a while. I am not sure that proves that they don't believe any longer. Maybe this team simply believes it should come easier.


Maybe they are right. It should come easier. You shouldn't have to out-work every single team in order to get a win. It is downright impossible anyways. Lots of teams with top-end players also play hard all game - what happens then? You want top-end players to take a game over in a shift or two, and snatch that win. Flames just don't have those difference makers when the team is a bit flat.


Anyway, certainly lots of positives to take away from this game. Klapka shows patience with the puck and enters the zone 1 on 3, and ends up creating a chance for Mangiapane out of nothing. Zary and Coronato had great games. Kylington looked better and less rusty than I expected him to be - defended well for the most part, transitioned well, and skated well - what a good building block of a game for him.



One more game until the all-star break. I anticipate moves soon, and this team just told Conroy for 4 games in a row now that moves are required.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Not the main problem? He's probably the team's MVP this year. He's been great.

Hah. 1-1 game and then that idiocy happens? The $6 million dollar MVP strikes again.

[Dion]

This edition of the Flames isn't committed to playing a full 60 minutes of hockey. All we hear from the players are excuses after excuses. Maybe Sutter was right about this team after all. Players got the coach fired and now they have no excuses for not playing a full 60 minutes.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Stunning how quickly this team has fallen.

111 points to 93 points to what is likely to be below 80 points. Next year likely worse.

The next 2 or 3 drafts are the single biggest factors that will determine the club's fate for the next decade.

Yeah, and let's hope they have a LOT more picks than the 20 they currently hold for the next three drafts.

Still blows my mind that a team this bad is up against the salary cap and has only 20 of their 21 picks for the 2024-26 drafts.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Trade him
He wins cup
Re-sign him
He teaches youth how to win cup
Youth leave Calgary
Win cups

You missed one step.

[Poe969]

Take less in trades and sell now. Weaken this team so they don't get as many flukey wins and actually have a chance at drafting someone who can help turn things around.

All these years of "playing for pride" has done nothing good for the franchise. It's a business, do what's best for the business to succeed.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly 3 other guys on the ice gave a way worse effort than him on that play.

It wasn't like he gave it away. The puck comes around to the wing, Gudbranson gets a stick on it, and somehow CBJ outnumbers Huberdeau 3-1 on that side of the ice even though we have a PP. Lindholm, Kadri, and Sharangovich all standing still and don't move their feet at all even though we don't have possession.

And he was the only one that even really attempted to get back, Sharangovich should have been dropping back to support but didn't when we didn't have possession and still didn't hustle back as hard as Huberdeau did.

Easy to blame him on that play since he was closest to the puck but he was the only Flame on the ice that actually tried on that play.

If you watch it again, the forwards who were down low actually go to make a line change. It was an abysmal effort to backcheck. That ain't on Huberdeau.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll play the Tanner Jeanot card and leave it at that.

Well, pretty much everyone agrees Tampa massively overpaid, so there's always that hope. But one of the reasons Tampa overpaid was becuase of their cap crunch and there was some level of control over Jeannot, much like their trade of Hagel.


As an upcoming UFA, Lindholm doesn't have that going for him.

[devo22]

Tampa likes to overpay for cheap depth players with term/control. Coleman, Hagel, Jeannot ... they target those kind of players to round out their middle six for little money. What we can offer at the deadline is vastly different.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Calgary just doesn't have enough top-end players. They need to play pedal to the metal at all times against most teams. Great teams have franchise-type players that can quickly turn a game, which is why they are called game-breakers. I love Coleman, and Sharangovich has been fantastic after his slow start, but these guys should be headlining the depth, rather than being the goal scoring leaders of the team.

It reminds me of when Nick Bjugstad was the leading scorer on the Panthers. Best of a bad bunch, but there's no way a guy like that should lead the team in scoring. I'm astonished that Lindholm hasn't scored more this year. It's very disappointing. He's completely checked out on this franchise.

Sell, sell, sell. Rebuild.

[CalgaryFan1988]

- Puck brushes off a players glove, 10 seconds later the team scores - No Goal
- Puck hits a linesman, deflects directly in front of the empty net - Goal

Welcome to the new NHL!

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Im sorry
I don’t think I’m trolling
I simply think for a number of reasons (cap space, apparent effort) the value this year just isn’t what most (including me) were hoping for

And hell
If my message board opinion on our players value has that much influence
Then
We are in bigger trouble than I thought ha ha

Why are you starting new lines instead of using punctuation?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Good job noticing Lindholm

Tough to do sometimes

Had another one of his zero stats-line games. Played almost 20 minutes and managed no shots, no points, no penalties, no nothing. He knows he's playing for his next contract? Right?

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

The combination of the flames trajectory and the oilers trajectory right now is such a kick in the groin. Flames playing terrible? Fine. Those losers on a record setting heater? No good.

Especially with how the season started it and we were shockingly ahead of them in the standings while they seemed to be crashing and burning.