American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Holy Housewives Batman...

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives just absolutely hate each other and aren't afraid to go scorched earth on each other when things go sour.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It never ceases to amaze me how conservatives just absolutely hate each other and aren't afraid to go scorched earth on each other when things go sour.

I mean their fundamental belief is "fear of the other". They traffic only in hate. Even those that call themselves "Christian Conservatives" don't actually follow the example of Christ.

It's unsurprising they turn on one another as they do.

[puffnstuff]

The best response to the loomer/mtg crap is from Rep Eric Swalwell

Woman who wears white pointy hood complains her friend’s hood is TOO pointy.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Couple of issues.

1) she cannot explain why inflation went up in a way that the public doesn't blame the current government. she's a lawyer, not an economist.

2) her economic plan is flawed, especially the part about price-gouging which was panned by Democrats economists. There were called 'populist gimmicks'

3) she really has to go after Trump and tariffs.

To win, Harris needs to make the case to voters that they will be better off with her as president. This will require showing how her plans are effective and superior to those of her opponent.

1. She has mentioned the pandemic and the supply chain problems it created. She also mentioned how Trump mismanaged the response to the pandemic, and how the Biden-Harris administration inherited the mess.

2. Several states have laws against price gouging, and she wants similar laws to be in place nation-wide. Personally I don't think it's the best way to tackle the problem, but at least she's speaking about the issue and trying to do something about it.

3. She has several times mentioned the "Trump Tax", in other words, the tariffs that Trump wants to slap on imports, making cost of living much more expensive for the American people.

One thing I wish she would put more emphasis on is putting an end to trickle down economics, and making billionaires and multi-millionaires, and big corporations, pay their fair share in taxes. She needs to tie the Trump tax cuts to making inflation worse while the ultra rich have gone laughing all the way to the bank.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

1. She has mentioned the pandemic and the supply chain problems it created. She also mentioned how Trump mismanaged the response to the pandemic, and how the Biden-Harris administration inherited the mess.

2. Several states have laws against price gouging, and she wants similar laws to be in place nation-wide. Personally I don't think it's the best way to tackle the problem, but at least she's speaking about the issue and trying to do something about it.

3. She has several times mentioned the "Trump Tax", in other words, the tariffs that Trump wants to slap on imports, making cost of living much more expensive for the American people.

One thing I wish she would put more emphasis on is putting an end to trickle down economics, and making billionaires and multi-millionaires, and big corporations, pay their fair share in taxes. She needs to tie the Trump tax cuts to making inflation worse while the ultra rich have gone laughing all the way to the bank.

This and this should be the main points IMO. Using Covid sounds like a scapegoat even if it did have impacts (and they had actually the best recovery), and I agree with the price gouging stance in principal, how it's enforced and it's impacts I actually don't know I'd have to look into those states.

But the tariff is so easy to refute as completely idiotic. "Thats a tax on goods coming in which will just make them more expensive" boom. And the bigger point of the 100 millionaire+ class that is basically triple taxing everyone by getting your tax incentives for their gigantic corporations that should actually be paying back into YOU the citizens that provide them with a workforce and consumers and roads and services that maintain the countries health and safety, then they underpay their workers which forces the social system to support them, using more tax dollars, and then the crank up the prices of their goods without any regard for social conditions thinking thats always the best way to profit*.

* It's not. Your profit is going to run out pretty fast if people can't buy your crap.


I dont know why that's not hammered on more. Theyre afraid of being called socialist or whatever, but there is SO MANY MORE PEOPLE making 1million or less than there are multi-millionaires. I really think they discount peoples ability to grasp the above concepts. They're not complicated. If you spoke aloud what I typed there it would take like 15 seconds. It's so easy to take on this nonsense about Trump being better for the economy by just pointing to HIS PARTY, not even him, policy of that past 40 years has been to squeeze you for all you have. Thats what they've been doing all along and every time we've tried to introduce things to make your lives better, like healthcare or social security or education, they've gutted as much as humanly possible. It's in the math. It's in their policy.

[GirlySports]

Moneyguy: you've been in many debates, is it really the moderators job to fact check?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Moneyguy: you've been in many debates, is it really the moderators job to fact check?

There are rules and such that judges make calls on. Like Kamala could call for a challenge of non-existent or misrepresented evidence and the judges could give the round to her, or rule against her.

[Cube Inmate]

It would be hilarious to see a presidential debate held with "debate club" rules!

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Moneyguy: you've been in many debates, is it really the moderators job to fact check?

No, but these are unusual circumstances.

[gallione11]

Unfortunately, there are too many people that don't look for the reason why things are they way they are. Seen a few old co-workers post stuff like


"I don't need to see the debate. I've been to the grocery store, gas station, paid electric bills, insurance for the past 7 years. I know the difference and YOU do too. The debate is over"


Sadly, these people are too dumb to realize it's because of republican policies and tax breaks that generally are the cause of this stuff. Not to mention that inflation is bad everywhere, but the president can control world prices, right?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Moneyguy: you've been in many debates, is it really the moderators job to fact check?

City council in bum-##### Alberta is not the same as a USA Presidential debate. The fact that humans eating dogs and post-birth abortion needed to be fact checked says more than anything

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

2) her economic plan is flawed, especially the part about price-gouging which was panned by Democrats economists. There were called 'populist gimmicks'

Just a reminder:

Economists, whether they're "Democrats" or "Republicans", will basically always hate anything that sounds like regulation for American corporations, it doesn't matter who says it and it's just not credible.

Economists are generally not a super credible bunch. Let's remember that you can still be a professional, credible economist and defend trickle down economics or austerity politics, even though both are at this point fairly thoroughly debunked. It's basically the economical equivalent of climate change denialism.

Economists are, with some exceptions, not scientists, they are the priests of capitalism. Now some priests are really smart people and think for themselves, but you gotta be more specific than "economists say" if you want to make a plea to authority here.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by BigThief

City council in bum-##### Alberta is not the same as a USA Presidential debate. The fact that humans eating dogs and post-birth abortion needed to be fact checked says more than anything

That’s true.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Eating dogs and cats!

He's not totally wrong. I am an immigrant and I eat pussies.

[FlameOn]

The whole dogs and cats things is just a rehash of the old racist trope that was hauled out during the coolie era of Asian migration to stir up anger against immigrant populations. Americans and Canadians of the time would accuse Asians of stealing and eating dogs and cats because of some ancient traditional recipes that Chinese used to have, and to drive people away from the only non-labour livelihood Chinese immigrants had at the time, the restaurant.

The GOP MAGA racists revived this old dog whistle against the group of legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield just to stir up racist sentiment from their rural base. They just tweaked the old story a bit and then applied it against some other unrelated stories, expecting their base to eat it up, despite Haitians there not being illegal nor having any tradition of eating dogs and cats. It kinda worked for the MAGA folks because racists rarely use logic and critical thinking at all, just it's laughable to anyone not sharing the single brain cell that runs the cult.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The whole dogs and cats things is just a rehash of the old racist trope that was hauled out during the coolie era of Asian migration to stir up anger against immigrant populations. Americans and Canadians of the time would accuse Asians of stealing and eating dogs and cats because of some ancient traditional recipes that Chinese used to have, and to drive people away from the only non-labour livelihood Chinese immigrants had at the time, the restaurant.

The GOP MAGA racists revived this old dog whistle against the group of legal Haitian immigrants in Springfield just to stir up racist sentiment from their rural base. They just tweaked the old story a bit and then applied it against some other unrelated stories, expecting their base to eat it up, despite Haitians there not being illegal nor having any tradition of eating dogs and cats. It kinda worked for the MAGA folks because racists rarely use logic and critical thinking at all, just it's laughable to anyone not sharing the single brain cell that runs the cult.

That’s what had me shaking my head, it’s not even a plausible lie, it’s just a rehash of the 1940’s anti-asian rhetoric.

[Coach]

As a Vancouver resident, I'm in favour of goose murder.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

That’s what had me shaking my head, it’s not even a plausible lie, it’s just a rehash of the 1940’s anti-asian rhetoric.

Even older, but in North America probably from the 18th century when trans-continental rail lines were being built from East to West coast using Chinese forced laborers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolie

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Coach

As a Vancouver resident, I'm in favour of goose murder.

I think we should legalize hunting of geese in the Bow River area of Calgary. Maybe with nets or something.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think we should legalize hunting of geese in the Bow River area of Calgary. Maybe with nets or something.

my grandad would soak corn in grain alcohol, goose eats corn, gets pissed, cant fly, gets picked up and put in the back of a car!!