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Old 06-03-2022, 02:12 PM   #1261
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Well, depends on what you consider struggling

Like Sutter said, the Flames didn’t have elite game breaking talent and need to play by committee

Well, Markstrom was playing behind D
- either without Tanev, or with Tanev with dislocated shoulder
- with Zadorov having broken ribs
- Kylington with a shoulder injury

They were lined up against a team with top offensive players, the game was wide open and mistakes were made

Other than the first game and the soft OT winner (let’s ignore the cough up), did he really struggle, or did he play behind an outmatched team and get lit up by star talent?

Smith is facing the same kind of thing and getting the same kind of results, no?


He struggled.

He was a Vezina finalist with a 0.922 save % and 2.22 GAA this season.

Against the oilers he was 0.884 save % and 3.54 GAA in the regular season and even worse in the playoffs.
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Old 06-03-2022, 02:21 PM   #1262
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He struggled.

He was a Vezina finalist with a 0.922 save % and 2.22 GAA this season.

Against the oilers he was 0.884 save % and 3.54 GAA in the regular season and even worse in the playoffs.

Sure. And the Vezina is mainly a team award and he faced much more difficult scoring chances than against most other teams

I think it got to him by the end, we agree there. The OT winner should have been saved
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Old 06-03-2022, 02:23 PM   #1263
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Sure. And the Vezina is mainly a team award and he faced much more difficult scoring chances than against most other teams

I think it got to him by the end, we agree there. The OT winner should have been saved
Not until the playoffs.

During the regular season the Flames dominated the oilers in all 4 games but only won two of them, and one of those was the 8-5 debacle.

Markstrom, for some reason, is putrid against the oilers.
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Old 06-03-2022, 02:23 PM   #1264
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Oilers is a flaw team. Anybody can beat them. The Kings almost beat team. A backup goalie shut them out.

Well, any team with a half decent goalie

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Well, it's a good thing that Markstrom is in fact much better than just a "half decent goalie." Half-decent goalies do not garner Vezina consideration.

But as for Markstrom and the Oilers I would say his poor results have been more of a product of how the team plays in front of him in these games. For whatever reason, the Flames as a whole seem to struggle against the Oilers. But, even if we concede that Markstrom bears the lion's share of the results for the entire second round series, this can happen to even the best goaltender. Igor Shesterkin will win the Vezina this year on the strength of an historic single-seadon performance, and he also finds himself playing in the Conference Finals. Shesterkin's numbers v. the Flames are abysmal, because sometimes this happens. Not because a goalie is a poor player, but because they are human.

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Well, it's a good thing that Markstrom is in fact much better than just a "half decent goalie." Half-decent goalies do not garner Vezina consideration.

But as for Markstrom and the Oilers I would say his poor results have been more of a product of how the team plays in front of him in these games. For whatever reason, the Flames as a whole seem to struggle against the Oilers. But, even if we concede that Markstrom bears the lion's share of the results for the entire second round series, this can happen to even the best goaltender. Igor Shesterkin will win the Vezina this year on the strength of an historic single-seadon performance, and he also finds himself playing in the Conference Finals. Shesterkin's numbers v. the Flames are abysmal, because sometimes this happens. Not because a goalie is a poor player, but because they are human.

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So far the only stellar goalie performances over an extended time are Markstrom v. Oettinger in round one. All of the marquee goalies have had issues.
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Old 06-03-2022, 02:56 PM   #1266
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I'm with Deluxe on this one to an extent.

Markstrom didn't make enough high danger saves, if he made a few more they'd have gone 7 and maybe won the series.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Flames leaked what looked like Grade A++++ chances.

The stats world can't differentiate between high danger counts right now, but they're not all created equal and it sure appeared to me that the Oilers got the higher end chances.
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I'm with Deluxe on this one to an extent.

Markstrom didn't make enough high danger saves, if he made a few more they'd have gone 7 and maybe won the series.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Flames leaked what looked like Grade A++++ chances.

The stats world can't differentiate between high danger counts right now, but they're not all created equal and it sure appeared to me that the Oilers got the higher end chances.
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Both can be true - the Flames gave up too many grade A chances, but also, Markstrom didn't make enough saves. One or two bad goals in a series - probably about normal. But he had half a dozen go under his glove. And that's just one type of example. He completely lost his positioning too many times to count.
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