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Old 10-14-2021, 11:51 AM   #21
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I think if we looked strictly at public education, the U.S. would probably be much lower, and if you examined the areas of the U.S. with high crime rates, you would probably also find underfunded public schools.
Poking around the data, it’s not clear if that’s the case. Public education funding in places like New York and D.C. is actually quite high. Though disparities might be more evident if we zoom right down to the level of counties.

https://www.businessinsider.com/stat...schools-2020-9

Meanwhile, some states with the lowest educational attainment and spending, like West Virginia and Idaho, have lower than average crime rates.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/1079181001/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...the-us-states/

The problem is that public schools don’t seem to be as effective at fixing social distress and dysfunction as we would like.
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Old 10-14-2021, 12:05 PM   #22
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The United States of America is a catastrophic #### hole unless you're rich, and then white. This, I think, we can all agree on.
But mostly white.

Cause rich POC get ####ed with on the reg.
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Old 10-14-2021, 12:30 PM   #23
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Poking around the data, itís not clear if thatís the case. Public education funding in places like New York and D.C. is actually quite high. Though disparities might be more evident if we zoom right down to the level of counties.

https://www.businessinsider.com/stat...schools-2020-9

Meanwhile, some states with the lowest educational attainment and spending, like West Virginia and Idaho, have lower than average crime rates.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ls/1079181001/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...the-us-states/

The problem is that public schools donít seem to be as effective at fixing social distress and dysfunction as we would like.
I think what it might come down to is whether these schools have sufficient funding for quality extra-curricular/after-school programs. I'm not going to go searching for it, so feel free to dismiss it, but I do remember seeing studies that correlated these programs with better outcomes for students.

I do agree that it's hard to make an apples to apples comparison because you also have to factor in population sizes into the funding equation.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:55 PM   #24
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The United States of America is a catastrophic #### hole unless you're rich, and then white. This, I think, we can all agree on.
I don't get this. Sure, they have a long list of problems, but I wouldn't stand up on my pedestal as a Canadian and bash other countries when we have some serious problems of our own when it comes to our treatment of minorities and the under priviledged.

Also, the US takes in millions of immigrants each year, and if they would change their visa laws, they could take in even more. Most of those immigrants are not white, though some may have money. I'd imagine not all of them do.

So something doesn't jive here. For a country that you say is inherently racist and apparently hateful towards poor people, there sure is a long list of people trying to get there.
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I don't get this. Sure, they have a long list of problems, but I wouldn't stand up on my pedestal as a Canadian and bash other countries when we have some serious problems of our own when it comes to our treatment of minorities and the under priviledged.

Also, the US takes in millions of immigrants each year, and if they would change their visa laws, they could take in even more. Most of those immigrants are not white, though some may have money. I'd imagine not all of them do.

So something doesn't jive here. For a country that you say is inherently racist and apparently hateful towards poor people, there sure is a long list of people trying to get there.
I'm not saying Canada doesn't have big, big problems. But I do appreciate that I can die with dignity of pretty much anything without incurring massive debt that then gets passed on to my family after I'm gone. That is huge.
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I don't get this. Sure, they have a long list of problems, but I wouldn't stand up on my pedestal as a Canadian and bash other countries when we have some serious problems of our own when it comes to our treatment of minorities and the under priviledged.

Also, the US takes in millions of immigrants each year, and if they would change their visa laws, they could take in even more. Most of those immigrants are not white, though some may have money. I'd imagine not all of them do.

So something doesn't jive here. For a country that you say is inherently racist and apparently hateful towards poor people, there sure is a long list of people trying to get there.
The huge difference between Canada and the US is Canada would happily solve its racial problems in a heart beat, we have a legacy of inequality and social issues we haven't been able to correct but there is a willingness to solve them, the US is more than happy with it's inequality, proud of it frankly.
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The huge difference between Canada and the US is Canada would happily solve its racial problems in a heart beat, we have a legacy of inequality and social issues we haven't been able to correct but there is a willingness to solve them, the US is more than happy with it's inequality, proud of it frankly.
You're kidding me right? We've been actively burying the residential school scandal for decades.

The only reason it is even coming up is because the graves are being found.

That is just one of the glaring examples of how we have a deep, cultural problem with mistreating JUST our First Nations people.

I appreciate our health care system as much as anyone, but I'm not going to sit here and bash the US for their crime, gun and death problems when Canadians should be fricking embarrassed by how our governments have treated First Nations people for the last 100 years, and say 'oh but we have better health care.'
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Likewise, First Nations don't have equitable access to healthcare either.

Read into the foundation of Jordan's principle as just one example.

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In 2005, the First Nations Child & Family Caring Society released the Wene: We are Coming to the Light of Day report. Drawing on a team of over twenty researchers, the report provides a holistic and detailed review of the Government of Canada's First Nations child and family services policy and sets out recommendations for improvement. The research found that jurisdictional disputes continue to have significant impacts on the lived experiences of First Nations children, particularly those with disabilities. Among the policy recommendations, the report recommended that Jordan's Principle be adopted by the Government of Canada and provincial/territorial governments.
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Where did Canadians' humility go?
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I would also think that an armed public in the US would be a contributing factor as to why police may shoot first.
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I would also think that an armed public in the US would be a contributing factor as to why police may shoot first.
Well yeah. When half the people you pull over have a handgun in their glove compartment, it dramatically changes the dynamics of contentious interactions with the public.
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Where did Canadians' humility go?
It seems it's increasingly pushed aside since Bowling for Columbine. At least that's when I started to notice a national snobbery when it comes to our southern neighbors.
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It seems it's increasingly pushed aside since Bowling for Columbine. At least that's when I started to notice a national snobbery when it comes to our southern neighbors.
We've always know the US is effed but the advent of cell phone cameras and social media has meant we know the full extent of the US's numptyhood
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