[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1332102292749901824

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ped

And Barrett has sided with religious organizations in a dispute against COVID-19 restrictions in New York.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/polit...vid/index.html

I can’t say I disagree with Gorsuch here.

At the same time, the Governor has chosen to impose no capacity restrictions on certain businesses he considers “es- sential.” And it turns out the businesses the Governor con- siders essential include hardware stores, acupuncturists, and liquor stores. Bicycle repair shops, certain signage companies, accountants, lawyers, and insurance agents are all essential too. So, at least according to the Governor, it may be unsafe to go to church, but it is always fine to pick up another bottle of wine, shop for a new bike, or spend the afternoon exploring your distal points and meridians. Who knew public health would so perfectly align with secular convenience?
As almost everyone on the Court today recognizes, squar- ing the Governor’s edicts with our traditional First Amend- ment rules is no easy task. People may gather inside for extended periods in bus stations and airports, in laundro- mats and banks, in hardware stores and liquor shops. No apparent reason exists why people may not gather, subject to identical restrictions, in churches or synagogues, espe- cially when religious institutions have made plain that they stand ready, able, and willing to follow all the safety pre- cautions required of “essential” businesses and perhaps more besides. The only explanation for treating religious places differently seems to be a judgment that what hap- pens there just isn’t as “essential” as what happens in sec- ular spaces. Indeed, the Governor is remarkably frank about this: In his judgment laundry and liquor, travel and tools, are all “essential” while traditional religious exercises are not. That is exactly the kind of discrimination the First Amendment forbids.

The act of declaring it non essential is the act of discrimination. Given the constitution I agree with the reasoning of Gorsuch far more than the liberal justices.

Acupuncture is essential but religion isn’t? It’s tough to argue that religion isn’t as essential as paramedical services.

I also love reading Gorsuch decisions.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...20a87_4g15.pdf

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Maybe, just maybe, the US should re-examine what a president can and cannot do unilaterally during a lame duck period. Just a thought.

That's too 1st world for them to comprehend...

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by GGG

I can’t say I disagree with Gorsuch here.



The act of declaring it non essential is the act of discrimination. Given the constitution I agree with the reasoning of Gorsuch far more than the liberal justices.

Acupuncture is essential but religion isn’t? It’s tough to argue that religion isn’t as essential as paramedical services.

I also love reading Gorsuch decisions.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...20a87_4g15.pdf

"People may gather inside for extended periods in bus stations and airports, in laundro- mats and banks, in hardware stores and liquor shops. No apparent reason exists why people may not gather, subject to identical restrictions, in churches or synagogues, espe- cially when religious institutions have made plain that they stand ready, able, and willing to follow all the safety pre- cautions required of “essential” businesses and perhaps more besides."

The thing about bus stations and airports is that if you want to go somewhere you have to physically enter them. Likewise you can't zoom acupuncture.

Hardware store and liquor shops generally don't have 100+ people in them so that's not an apt comparison.

Is there any good reason why a preacher/pastor/priest/rabbi/imam can't just livestream their sermon?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

"People may gather inside for extended periods in bus stations and airports, in laundro- mats and banks, in hardware stores and liquor shops. No apparent reason exists why people may not gather, subject to identical restrictions, in churches or synagogues, espe- cially when religious institutions have made plain that they stand ready, able, and willing to follow all the safety pre- cautions required of “essential” businesses and perhaps more besides."

The thing about bus stations and airports is that if you want to go somewhere you have to physically enter them. Likewise you can't zoom acupuncture.

Hardware store and liquor shops generally don't have 100+ people in them so that's not an apt comparison.

Is there any good reason why a preacher/pastor/priest/rabbi/imam can't just livestream their sermon?

While I personally think that all religion is bunk if you are a true believer you think your eternal soul is damned to hell for eternity if you dont sit in a little box and tell a strangely dressed pedophile how many times you swore the week before, to a believer it is essential.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

While I personally think that all religion is bunk if you are a true believer you think your eternal soul is damned to hell for eternity if you dont sit in a little box and tell a strangely dressed pedophile how many times you swore the week before, to a believer it is essential.

And in the Gorsuch argument the only way you can deem it non-essential is because you are discriminating against it.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

While I personally think that all religion is bunk if you are a true believer you think your eternal soul is damned to hell for eternity if you dont sit in a little box and tell a strangely dressed pedophile how many times you swore the week before, to a believer it is essential.

Don't you think you're a little old to be an edge lord?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

While I personally think that all religion is bunk if you are a true believer you think your eternal soul is damned to hell for eternity if you dont sit in a little box and tell a strangely dressed pedophile how many times you swore the week before, to a believer it is essential.

That is not at all true, as well as grossly condescending and insulting to people who may have different beliefs than you.


The fact is, there are countless churches that are following local health protocols and not attempting to take people to court because they believe they should be able to meet and God will protect them. They livestream or have 30 percent of the church full and wear masks and do everything else.


Even without the pedophile priests..

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Ped

That is not at all true, as well as grossly condescending and insulting to people who may have different beliefs than you.


The fact is, there are countless churches that are following local health protocols and not attempting to take people to court because they believe they should be able to meet and God will protect them. They livestream or have 30 percent of the church full and wear masks and do everything else.


Even without the pedophile priests..

I thought I was being quite understanding, except maybe for the pedo part, and lets be honest the Vatican brings that on itself really

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Don't you think you're a little old to be an edge lord?

never to old man

[Huntingwhale]

Spoiler!

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

While I personally think that all religion is bunk if you are a true believer you think your eternal soul is damned to hell for eternity if you dont sit in a little box and tell a strangely dressed pedophile how many times you swore the week before, to a believer it is essential.

except that's not the case.
for example, I went to the website of St. Joseph's Basilica and it states

"Until further notice, Archbishop Smith grants to all the Catholic faithful dispensation from their Sunday obligation due to the COVID-19 pandemic."

[calumniate]

Nice

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

"People may gather inside for extended periods in bus stations and airports, in laundro- mats and banks, in hardware stores and liquor shops. No apparent reason exists why people may not gather, subject to identical restrictions, in churches or synagogues, espe- cially when religious institutions have made plain that they stand ready, able, and willing to follow all the safety pre- cautions required of “essential” businesses and perhaps more besides."

The thing about bus stations and airports is that if you want to go somewhere you have to physically enter them. Likewise you can't zoom acupuncture.

Hardware store and liquor shops generally don't have 100+ people in them so that's not an apt comparison.

Is there any good reason why a preacher/pastor/priest/rabbi/imam can't just livestream their sermon?

Holy water? Wait no... you can order that from Figi.

[Sluggo]

Maybe most of the official desks and other props are already at Mar a Lago so he can do the whole 'government in exile' skit after Biden is inaugurated?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Whoever suggested that desk was clearly looking to humiliate Trump.

[RichieRich]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I thought I was being quite understanding, except maybe for the pedo part, and lets be honest the Vatican brings that on itself really

Don't assume that the Vatican speaks for or represents all Christians.... the Vatican is Catholic and they have their own requirements that differ from other Christians. It's akin to lumping all Muslims, or all eastern belief systems, or African spirits, or even calling Scots Englishmen. Not to mention many belief systems, including Christians, *do* allow men AND women to lead. (and yes, unfortunately some women are pedo's too regardless of whether they follow any faith system or not).

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1332196521341759488

[troutman]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=159dda783715
https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...2020-11-27.pdf

A federal appeals court rejected the Trump campaign’s lawsuit contesting Pennsylvania’s election results Friday, saying the campaign’s arguments are “light on facts” and “have no merit,” marking the second time the courts have resoundly rejected the Trump campaign’s central lawsuit in its legal battle challenging Joe Biden’s victory.

[direwolf]

So the Trump campaign is now 1-38 in election challenges. All of this losing has to be so incredibly humiliating for him, and yet he continues to allow his dumbass lawyers to keep throwing s*** at the wall just to get tossed out of court over and over again. It's amazing.