01-16-2019, 10:07 PM
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#41
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Calgary
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Not the contact with the head part but watching this totally made me reminisce of how much joy I took from watching Fleury line guys up and explode up into them.
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01-16-2019, 10:32 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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I expected worse after seeing that it got him 3 games. Not a clean hit by any means but a lot worse gets a lot less
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01-16-2019, 10:34 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Worse hits have resulted in no suspension but I'm okay with it providing the league can be consistent dishing out the same punishment regardless of the player laying that hit whether it be a guy like Byron or a star player.
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01-17-2019, 08:30 AM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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I love the way Byron has handled this. Acknowledging it, apologizing it and taking accountability for it. That rarely happens and speaks to his character. More of that type of reaction is how the cultural shift required will happen.
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01-17-2019, 10:05 AM
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#45
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In the Sin Bin
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I find it rather interesting that the only thing it takes to prevent you from losing your crap over a hit like that is an apology. If that's all it takes to be let off the hook, then I doubt the "cultural shift" you are looking for is going to happen.
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01-17-2019, 10:29 AM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
I find it rather interesting that the only thing it takes to prevent you from losing your crap over a hit like that is an apology. If that's all it takes to be let off the hook, then I doubt the "cultural shift" you are looking for is going to happen.
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Boy you really can't help but try to spin someone's comments to suit whatever ongoing axe you are grinding can you?
How often have we seen a player come out with this type of statement? It is rare. It shows understanding on the players part of why the hit was wrong, which is a complete reversal of the standard "I was just finishing my check" stuff that most players parrot.
So yeah it is the type of thing that signal a change.
To me this one instance is what I want to see more of - with punishment doled out for a poor hit, accepted by the player, with a commitment to adjust going forward.
So yeah I like it.
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01-17-2019, 12:33 PM
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#47
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In the Sin Bin
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Frankly Jiri, you should not be complaining about spin and axe grinding after your running anti-Theo Fleury commentary from yesterday. Pot, kettle, black.
And I do think it is hilarious that you are completely unable to stop yourself from grinding this particular axe any time a bad hit happens.... except when a guy you like happens to be the culprit. Then you really want to believe that an apology - of which Byron is not remotely close to being the first to make - is enough. I just find that rather naive.
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01-17-2019, 12:52 PM
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#48
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First Line Centre
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Finishing the check should always be a part of the game. Had Byron not jumped, the hit would have been perfectly legal. Even if a player hits to hurt or intimidate, that is hockey. For anyone that has ever played the game, fear and intimidation is a huge part of contact hockey, hitting is a part of it. As long as it’s done within the rules(not from behind, no head contact or jumping), there should be no issues or penalties let alone a suspension.
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01-17-2019, 12:55 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by AC
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Wow, thank you. AND WTF.
How was Kunitz not suspended? Was there a penalty on the play?
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01-17-2019, 12:58 PM
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#50
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by It's a great day 4 hockey
Not the contact with the head part but watching this totally made me reminisce of how much joy I took from watching Fleury line guys up and explode up into them.
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In the 1989 Vancouver series, didn't he jump up and hit Harold Snepsts, and knock him out of the series?
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01-17-2019, 01:04 PM
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#51
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First Line Centre
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Mass times velocity equals force. As Paul is a much smaller player than average, he probably figures he has to provide a more aggressive check to equal most players.
However, I still think a game or three, for checks that result in head injuries, is the right thing to do. In recalling other penalties dished out, I do think Paul's 3 games is a little on the harsh side. I would think his past hits probably played some part in the decision.
Last edited by flamesfever; 01-17-2019 at 01:08 PM.
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01-17-2019, 01:13 PM
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#52
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
I find it rather interesting that the only thing it takes to prevent you from losing your crap over a hit like that is an apology. If that's all it takes to be let off the hook, then I doubt the "cultural shift" you are looking for is going to happen.
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It's generally accepted as good character when someone comes out and admits they made a mistake and accepts responsibility for it. Some of these guys that get suspended don't man up and let the NHLPA do the talking for them. I like the respect he showed to the player he hit as well as the game itself by acknowledging he did wrong and will try to ensure it doesn't happen again. It's worth noting that Gio issued a classy apology as well this season upon being suspended but as Flames fans we already know he's a classy guy.
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01-17-2019, 01:25 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Frankly Jiri, you should not be complaining about spin and axe grinding after your running anti-Theo Fleury commentary from yesterday. Pot, kettle, black.
And I do think it is hilarious that you are completely unable to stop yourself from grinding this particular axe any time a bad hit happens.... except when a guy you like happens to be the culprit. Then you really want to believe that an apology - of which Byron is not remotely close to being the first to make - is enough. I just find that rather naive.
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Fleury was brought up in a thread and I offered my view point. Tell me what's wrong with that. I wasn't the one that brought him up.
And I have no idea what you mean by "a guy you like"
I've never had a strong opinion about Byron either way. Point me to any evidence where this is a guy I like.
Again you make crap up about other posters on here and spin their comments to suit your needs.
It's been happening for literally decades.
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01-17-2019, 03:42 PM
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#54
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cam_wmh
In the 1989 Vancouver series, didn't he jump up and hit Harold Snepsts, and knock him out of the series?
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I tried looking it up but had no luck. I was 18 at that time and specifics are hazy due to my friends Jack and Jimmy Beam. Rings a bell though.
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01-17-2019, 06:33 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl
You can't be serious.
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Yup, i would say it wasn't as egregious as the hymen hit on Mcavoy early this year.
Last edited by Samonadreau; 01-17-2019 at 07:04 PM.
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01-17-2019, 06:43 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
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I am very reluctant to put much weight in an apology when you simply don’t know who wrote it, who helped with it, or what is truly in the players heart. I like Byron the player a lot but no idea about his seriousness, and I am not qualified to judge what is truly his intent.
But I know that apologies are worthless when it comes to player safety. Injuries arise because of what happens on the ice.
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