[News] Tkachuk update

[sureLoss]

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Just chatted with Matthew Tkachuk. Looks good and says he’s feeling much better. Going for a light off ice workout. #Flames

[Canada 02]

He's a competitor, so would not be surprised if he wants to play. Flames need to be smart and shut him down for the season. Wonder why they havent already

[direwolf]

Yea, I don't see a need to play him at this point. Let him heal up properly and start working towards next season.

[Erick Estrada]

He's a difference maker for this club as they have not been the same since the injury.

[Benched]

Feel better and be well you beauty.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Smith injury was a staggering blow to this team.

The Tkachuk injury was the KO punch.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Smith injury was a staggering blow to this team.

The Tkachuk injury was the KO punch.

Nope. I disagree.

Smith and Tkachuk papered over a lot of this team's cracks, but those cracks were still there.

And they have great hair.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Locke

Nope. I disagree.

Smith and Tkachuk papered over a lot of this team's crack, but those cracks were still there.

And they have great hair.

That's pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Yet you disagree?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Yet you disagree?

Well...I just think this team was better than they showed, they just werent utilized very well at all and that Tkachuk and Smith really bailed them out when the going got tough.

So I see your point, that their injuries really did this team in, but in the end they were inflating this team's qualities.

I guess I just feel that this roster could have and should have overcome these injuries but just didnt.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That's pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Yet you disagree?

Have you thought about making your argument more congruent with 100% of the blame being on gulutzan?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Have you thought about making your argument more congruent with 100% of the blame being on gulutzan?

Vegas was using their 5th string goalie for a while and went an entire season with a group of castoffs.

Remind me how that went for them?

[Gaskal]

How much his linemates miss him can be quantified.

A corsi event is generated that involves 10 active individuals, 4 of them your teammates. So I consider WOWY far more telling than saying that one line had X amount of CF. You can see that line sorely misses Tkachuk though, even before you read into any statistical sample: https://i.imgur.com/zBZr1V9.png


Tkachuk without Backlund: 54.6% CF, 40% GF
Backlund without Tkachuk: 44.1% CF, 28.6% GF
Together: 58.0% CF, 64.3% GF

Tkachuk without Frolik: 54.0% CF, 61.5% GF
Frolik without Tkachuk: 49.7% CF, 35.6% GF
Together: 58.2% CF, 56.0% GF

While Tkachuk does enjoy better possession results with his teammates than without, both Frolik and Backlund suffer far more when separated from Tkachuk than Tkachuk does when he’s removed from the influence of those two. And 3M’s scoring just completely falls off a cliff when Matthew isn’t with them, they’re essentially relegated to nothing more than a solid checking line.

The top defence pairing have a similar relationship with Tkachuk (although the influence can be more attributed to 3M as a whole). The moral of the story is to stick Gio and Tkachuk out there together as often as possible... although I guess that's a given, haha.


Tkachuk without Dougie: 55.3% CF, 59.1% GF
Dougie without Tkachuk: 52.4% CF, 40.0% GF
Together: 60.1% CF, 56.2% GF

Tkachuk without Gio: 57.5% CF, 42.9% GF
Gio without Tkachuk: 50.9% CF, 40.0% GF
Together: 57.1% CF, 76.5% GF

[Torch]

What are those players corsi numbers with Brouwer?

[Loudog]

I thought the Flames did say they were shutting him down... Isn't this just a update that he's working out again which means his concussion isn't as bad as it could have been? I don't think this is an indication that he's close, or will be, returning to the lineup.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Locke

Vegas was using their 5th string goalie for a while and went an entire season with a group of castoffs.

Remind me how that went for them?

Cast offs isn't telling the truth. Other can a couple lowly picks from garbage teams like Edmonton, Teams did not want to lose the players they lost. They were far from cast offs. A lot of teams were forced into a very undesirable position because of the rules of the expansion draft.

The rules were designed to make sure a lot of young cost controlled talent on the cusp would be made available.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

How much his linemates miss him can be quantified.

A corsi event is generated that involves 10 active individuals, 4 of them your teammates. So I consider WOWY far more telling than saying that one line had X amount of CF. You can see that line sorely misses Tkachuk though, even before you read into any statistical sample: https://i.imgur.com/zBZr1V9.png


Tkachuk without Backlund: 54.6% CF, 40% GF
Backlund without Tkachuk: 44.1% CF, 28.6% GF
Together: 58.0% CF, 64.3% GF

Tkachuk without Frolik: 54.0% CF, 61.5% GF
Frolik without Tkachuk: 49.7% CF, 35.6% GF
Together: 58.2% CF, 56.0% GF

While Tkachuk does enjoy better possession results with his teammates than without, both Frolik and Backlund suffer far more when separated from Tkachuk than Tkachuk does when he’s removed from the influence of those two. And 3M’s scoring just completely falls off a cliff when Matthew isn’t with them, they’re essentially relegated to nothing more than a solid checking line.

The top defence pairing have a similar relationship with Tkachuk (although the influence can be more attributed to 3M as a whole). The moral of the story is to stick Gio and Tkachuk out there together as often as possible... although I guess that's a given, haha.


Tkachuk without Dougie: 55.3% CF, 59.1% GF
Dougie without Tkachuk: 52.4% CF, 40.0% GF
Together: 60.1% CF, 56.2% GF

Tkachuk without Gio: 57.5% CF, 42.9% GF
Gio without Tkachuk: 50.9% CF, 40.0% GF
Together: 57.1% CF, 76.5% GF

These are very interesting and definitely illustrates what a great player he is. I wonder who handles the puck the most with that trio?

What I'm getting at is I think Tkachuk is elite when the puck is in the offensive zone down low. But the puck has to get there first. He's not a guy who carries it like Backlund or Gaudreau.

From my eye test, and I could be wrong, is that in this system the puck isn't really carried in that much. It's dumped in and Tkachuk is great a retrieval and setting up plays.

I'm guessing Gaudreau has similar corsi numbers to Tkachuk but he goes about in a completely different way - he carries it in.

This is why I think Gaudreau takes unnecessary heat with his turnovers- he's good at entries but sometimes you get burned.

Gulutzan's get puck deep favours Tkachuk's game more - a retrieval game.

[Geeoff]

Tkachuk does so much apart from scoring. It's too bad we couldn't get him to the playoffs because I think he would rip up the post-season.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Tkachuk does so much apart from scoring. It's too bad we couldn't get him to the playoffs because I think he would rip up the post-season.

Maybe but he was not so good last season playoff's against a big team where the Flames would be counting on the rugged players stepping up.

[Toonage]

Tkachuk was hurt (back injury) to end last season. He could play but wasn't at 100%

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Maybe but he was not so good last season playoff's against a big team where the Flames would be counting on the rugged players stepping up.

He was 19-years-old. The League annals are loaded with high-impact players who at one time struggled in their first few post-seasons.