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View Poll Results: Pick the best prospect from the following
Jake Boltman 0 0%
Daniil Chechelev 3 1.30%
Lucas Feuk 0 0%
Ryan Francis 0 0%
Glenn Gawdin 65 28.26%
Pavel Karnaukhov 1 0.43%
Rory Kerins 0 0%
Johannes Kinnvall 10 4.35%
Justin Kirkland 0 0%
Demetrios Koumontzis 0 0%
Yan Kuznetsov 20 8.70%
Carl-Johan Lerby 0 0%
Mitchell Mattson 0 0%
Illya Nikolayev 3 1.30%
Josh Nodler 0 0%
Tyler Parsons 6 2.61%
Luke Philp 0 0%
Jeremie Poirier 55 23.91%
Colton Poolman 1 0.43%
Martin Pospisil 1 0.43%
Rushan Rafikov 0 0%
Adam Ruzicka 5 2.17%
Illay Solovyov 0 0%
Filip Sveningsson 0 0%
Eetu Tuulola 0 0%
Alexander Yelesin 4 1.74%
Artyom Zagidulin 3 1.30%
Dmitri Zavagorodny 53 23.04%
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:11 AM   #21
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^A couple things:

1) Yes, if you can get the puck out you defend less. You have to get the puck away from the other guy first. Not sure Poirier can do that consistently.
2) Yes, skating can help you recover, but guys who can play positionally well and not skate exceptionally will always be better defenders. Of course, you need some wheels to get in the right position to begin with too, but NHL forwards feast on guys who don't think the game well.

I do think the Kylington comparison is fair, but you also said that he came MILES from where he was drafted, and even then, he's still struggling to see the NHL lineup regularly. I'm not saying he still can't improve, but there might be a limit on how much better he gets.

Same for Poirier. Due to his current insufficiencies, he has a ton to add to his game before he could even be considered for the NHL. That doesn't bode well for him, because as we've seen with Kylington, even a ton of progress doesn't guarantee NHL high end success.

I suspect that a lot of his offensive game will have to be sacrificed in order to play passable NHL defense, not unlike Kylington. I like the raw talent and tools, but I'd rather have a guy who thinks the game well and has better than average talent.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:25 AM   #22
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I do think the Kylington comparison is fair, but you also said that he came MILES from where he was drafted
I did, because I was trying to make a point that the defensive side is much easier to develop and teach than the things that Poirier and Kylington naturally excel at.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:26 AM   #23
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Zavagorodny plays with a ton of compete. I love prospects who fight tooth and nail to get involved in games.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:28 AM   #24
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Really interesting round. You have people voting for a guy who's pretty much ready to start the year on the 4th line vs a guy who's a long shot to make the dance but if he does is most likely a PP QB on the back end that would put up 50+ points a year.

Edit: Didn't even see Lil Z at the bottom there but that's a great choice as well.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:33 AM   #25
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Really interesting round. You have people voting for a guy who's pretty much ready to start the year on the 4th line vs a guy who's a long shot to make the dance but if he does is most likely a PP QB on the back end that would put up 50+ points a year.

Edit: Didn't even see Lil Z at the bottom there but that's a great choice as well.
There's also Kinnvall, one of the most productive defensemen in the SHL, who shoots right and is still young.
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There's also Kinnvall, one of the most productive defensemen in the SHL, who shoots right and is still young.
I honestly forgot about him. Could be a Klingberg-like steal if given the chance. That痴 a high bar but he痴 been playing great right now.
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:12 PM   #27
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Surprised Kinnvall is beind Poirer. Playing solid minutes in SHL. Highest scoring blueliner per game of there. AND shoots right.
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Surprised Kinnvall is beind Poirer. Playing solid minutes in SHL. Highest scoring blueliner per game of there. AND shoots right.
Probably because most posters don't know anything about him. Also, he's 23 and was never drafted. Poirier was T-2nd in Q scoring for defensemen as a 17 year old.

And while 'shoots right' is something we need, it doesn't make him a better prospect.
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Surprised Kinnvall is beind Poirer. Playing solid minutes in SHL. Highest scoring blueliner per game of there. AND shoots right.
He's an enticing prospect. But if he were drafted, his draft year would have been 2015, just like Andersson, Hanifin, and Kylington and yet to step foot on NA ice, which is a bit of a different style of play he'll have to adjust to.

This is effectively his draft+6 year and we can probably expect him to have to spend some time in the AHL at some point too when he does come over.

A guy like Poirier is in his D+1 year, and the guys who are a bit older (like Phillips(D+5) and Gawdin(D+6) have at least shown a bit on NA ice that suggest they're really close.

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And while 'shoots right' is something we need, it doesn't make him a better prospect.
I actually disagree with this. If a player has any attribute that will give them a better chance to play in the NHL, then that does make them a better prospect. And shooting right does give a guy like Kinnvall a better opportunity. Not only to play on the team, but to play on the powerplay, which is huge.
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Dmitri Zavagorodny's stats aren't really that impressive for his size and age. I think CP overrates him a bit.

Phillips and Gawdin had much more impressive numbers during their last years in the CHL. Although Zavagorodny has yet to play his 20 year old season.

Poirier is as productive as Zavagorodny was at the same age, despite being a defenseman. However, Zavagorodny did look great in the training caps. Seems to be pretty clutch. Ryan Francis's numbers are better than Zavagorodny's if you account for age. I wouldn't be surprised to see Francis put up 100+ points for Cape Breton at some point.
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Kind of baffling how Poirier is getting more votes than Kuznetsov when the latter was drafted,earlier, in the 2nd round, 2 weeks ago.
Flashy player with offence and star (or bust) potential.
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Dmitri Zavagorodny's stats aren't really that impressive for his size and age. I think CP overrates him a bit.

Phillips and Gawdin had much more impressive numbers during their last years in the CHL. Although Zavagorodny has yet to play his 20 year old season.


Poirier is as productive as Zavagorodny was at the same age, despite being a defenseman. However, Zavagorodny did look great in the training caps. Seems to be pretty clutch. Ryan Francis's numbers are better than Zavagorodny's if you account for age. I wouldn't be surprised to see Francis put up 100+ points for Cape Breton at some point.
17: 0.76 PPG
18: 0.96 PPG
19: 1.68 PPG

That's a pretty darn good 19 year old season. And the progression was solid and consistent as well.
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Went with Gawdin once again, but Zavgorodniy is a solid solid choice at this position. Next tier of prospects are interesting. Poirier, Parsons, Kuznetsov, and Nikolaev. Can even throw Zag and Ruzicka in the mix. Good job by the flames picking up some solid prospects over the last few years.
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Dmitri Zavagorodny's stats aren't really that impressive for his size and age. I think CP overrates him a bit.

Phillips and Gawdin had much more impressive numbers during their last years in the CHL. Although Zavagorodny has yet to play his 20 year old season.

Poirier is as productive as Zavagorodny was at the same age, despite being a defenseman. However, Zavagorodny did look great in the training caps. Seems to be pretty clutch. Ryan Francis's numbers are better than Zavagorodny's if you account for age. I wouldn't be surprised to see Francis put up 100+ points for Cape Breton at some point.
You can look at junior stats all you want, but for me Zav Really showed me what he could do in Flames training camp, looked really good and correct me if I知 wrong but I知 pretty sure he was awesome against the Oilers prospects in one of those prospect tournaments
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You can look at junior stats all you want, but for me Zav Really showed me what he could do in Flames training camp, looked really good and correct me if I知 wrong but I知 pretty sure he was awesome against the Oilers prospects in one of those prospect tournaments
He's also off to a respectable start in the second best hockey league in the world, with three assists in four games to start his KHL career.
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He's also off to a respectable start in the second best hockey league in the world, with three assists in four games to start his KHL career.
It really sucks that both Zav and Pelletier both got hurt right before the World Jrs.
I was really excited to watch both.
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17: 0.76 PPG
18: 0.96 PPG
19: 1.68 PPG

That's a pretty darn good 19 year old season. And the progression was solid and consistent as well.
Yeah I guess I take that back.

Zavgorodniy had slightly more points per game than Phillips did as a 19 year old. This is despite the fact that Phillips had 112 points and 48 goals.
But Phillips was without doubt the best forward on his team. Zavgorodniy was without doubt, not the best forward on his team. Hardly anyone would be if they were playing with Lafreniere.

It's a moot point because Phillips isn't on the board. Between Zavgorodniy and Gawdin, I think it's close. Zavgorodniy has higher upside. Gawdin is more complete and more developed.

These are the types of players the Flames should be drafting. And thank goodness they have been.
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Whatever happened to D'Artagnan Joly?
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Whatever happened to D'Artagnan Joly?
Wasn't signed, is no longer the Flames' property.
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