Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2017 - Round 5

[Captaincanada80]

Hey Bingo, when do you not like the outcome of the poll, hide all results and then choose the winner you'd like to see.... or right, wrong website

[Strange Brew]

So #5 is where Hickey finished in last year's poll. I don't believe he would have received as many votes this time at #5. Passed by Kylington and Fox at this point, or is that revisionist?

[Fire]

Went with Kylington, but Fox, Mangiapane, Phillips, Gillies and Dube are not far behind.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

As for the choice...i havent seen any of the most recent camp and going back a couple years it seems that even now Kylington makes major gaffe after major gaffe while sprinkling in moments of brilliance. That, IMO, simply disqualifies him as a major prospect til it changes to more consistency.

There are more sure things ahead of him both defensively and possibly offensively..

well, as long as we're not exaggerating...

to those saying he should be dominating and not making the mistakes that NHL defensemen don't make, keep in mind that this last week was a forum to try and show your stuff. Against kids, he feels he can do things. Doesn't mean that he will constantly try those things at the NHL level.

The kid has skill.

BUt I am going to continue voting Foo because Kylington has enough votes.

[Gaudfather]

I voted Poirier - know that is in the minority, but he is back and given his age and maturity could start to realize his considerable potential.

[Stay Golden]

Staying with Kylington lol

[Wolven]

Been voting Gillies for a few rounds now. I'm still excited for his potential and for the Flames to start properly developing quality players.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

well, as long as we're not exaggerating...

to those saying he should be dominating and not making the mistakes that NHL defensemen don't make, keep in mind that this last week was a forum to try and show your stuff. Against kids, he feels he can do things. Doesn't mean that he will constantly try those things at the NHL level.

The kid has skill.

BUt I am going to continue voting Foo because Kylington has enough votes.

How is it exaggeration when its what had him fall in the draft, continue to do it in his 1st year as a pro, 2nd year as a pro and again this past week? (granted this is perception from reading others opinions for the most part)

You seem to take it a bit out of context that a guy who hasnt seemingly progressed in an area he needs to, would garner criticism for making the same mistakes he always was accused of.

Skill is great...its only part of whats needed though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How is it exaggeration when its what had him fall in the draft, continue to do it in his 1st year as a pro, 2nd year as a pro and again this past week? (granted this is perception from reading others opinions for the most part)

You seem to take it a bit out of context that a guy who hasnt seemingly progressed in an area he needs to, would garner criticism for making the same mistakes he always was accused of.

Skill is great...its only part of whats needed though.

you got your opinion from reading other opinions, and you have the strongest opinion of anyone as a result, yet you don't think you're exaggerating

knock yourself out

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[activeStick]

Can't vote on Tapatalk but my top 4 votes would've gone Parsons, Jankowski, Gillies, Kylington, then Andersson for this round based on likelihood to actually make the NHL and then how high I see them on the Flames depth chart once they make the show.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How is it exaggeration when its what had him fall in the draft,

Well, it's part of it. A bad back, a bad team situation, and domino effect all had something to do with that. The fact that our team moved up in the draft to grab him should tell you that his fall was exaggerated.

continue to do it in his 1st year as a pro,

"I thought he did a really great job."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/07/07...-american-game

2nd year as a pro

Just a reminder, and I am as aware as anyone about the risks/limited value of the stat - but Kylington was actually a plus player in the AHL in his 2nd year as a pro. While having a 21 year old rookie partner on an AHL contract with a whopping two points in 56 games(Doetzal). While playing relatively high measured QualityOfCompetition. While still being 19 years old in a league where he would not have been eligible by age if he had ever played a CHL game. While leading his team in defensive scoring.

It's not as if Kylington was a liability for his team. Even though he was the youngest player on it. He had ups and downs like anyone else, but so did Andersson, and Gillies, and to a lesser extent Rittich.

People sometimes forget all the good a skilled player does every time he screws up. We even saw it last year with Gaudreau, he could be having a two point night, but a turnover at the blues and he'd be the goat in a win. Kylington makes mistakes trying to do too much. It's not as easy as telling him to stop trying. He wasn't drafted to be Kris Russell and just wire the puck along the boards every time he got near it. It's a complex position and the team is aware of that.

You have to weigh the good with the bad, not fixate on the bad. It's like how Tre described Mike Smith's puck moving... sometimes you'll facepalm but that doesn't mean you want to cut it out of his game.

You seem to take it a bit out of context that a guy who hasnt seemingly progressed in an area he needs to, would garner criticism for making the same mistakes he always was accused of.

And you seem to have confused "not rapidly progressed to sure-fire top pairing D" with "hasn't progressed". He has progressed. But there is progression left to go. It's not as simple as it sounds. Anybody can make the easy play, but there's a fine line between defaulting to it and knowing when it's necessary at high speeds. Or have people already forgotten that even Gio sometimes got himself into trouble as a young player... who was 5-6 years older than Kylington.

If Kylington hadn't progressed since his draft, he would not have gotten Sweden's WJC "best player in the Bronze Medal Game" award, because he simply wasn't good enough to do that in his draft year.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Went with Foo again.

Not sold on Kylington putting it all together.

[jlh2640]

Gillies should be higher

[Erick Estrada]

IMO Kylington and Fox will likely never be able to play the game well enough defensively to play in the NHL which is why they are pretty low on my list.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO Kylington and Fox will likely never be able to play the game well enough defensively to play in the NHL which is why they are pretty low on my list.

I saw Fox make a couple of smart defensive plays in the scrimmage yesterday. Way too soon to be writing either him or Kylington off I think.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Gillies, and I don't think its close.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by New Era

Gillies, and I don't think its close.

I'm curious about your reasoning for picking Gillies ahead of Rittich? There was a pretty significant statistical difference in the favor of Rittich last season.

Rittich: 15-11-1 GAA 2.27 Sv% .924 SO 5
Gillies: 18-14-1 GAA 2.93 Sv% .910 SO 1

Granted, Rittich is year and a half older and Gillies lost a year of development to injury. Any other reasons though? Preference in play style?

On topic: I went with Dillon Dube. I think he showed better in the scrimmage than Poirier or Foo. He has 148 points in 150 WHL games so far (including 20 goals and 25 assists in 40 games this past year) and is poised for another strong season this year. He fought back from injury last season to make the World Jr team, started on the fourth line and they played so well that they ended up being one of the better lines in the tournament for Team Canada. He's usually a scorer but showed that he can play other roles and be effective in them. He'll surely be back on the team again this season and likely in a bigger role.

He reminds me a bit of Jaden Schwartz from the Blues, who I like a lot, and I think there is a good chance he becomes a solid NHL player in a few years.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Kylington again for me. His defensive miscues always concern me since they're sometimes unnecessary and it's something a Canadian junior player would have learned by now, but I have to keep reminding myself that he's only 20 and his skill set is extremely high. The rest can be learned, but it remains to be seen as to whether he'll actually learn it or not.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

you got your opinion from reading other opinions, and you have the strongest opinion of anyone as a result, yet you don't think you're exaggerating

knock yourself out

LOL....how is my opinion stronger than anyone elses?

Good lord you are a sensitive one.