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View Poll Results: Best prospect from the following list?
Rasmus Andersson 217 57.87%
Austin Carroll 0 0%
Dillon Dube 2 0.53%
Zach Fischer 0 0%
Spencer Foo 17 4.53%
Adam Fox 24 6.40%
Jon Gillies 22 5.87%
Garnet Hathaway 0 0%
Josh Healey 0 0%
D'Artagnan Joly 0 0%
Pavel Karnaukhov 0 0%
Morgan Klimchuk 0 0%
Brett Kulak 0 0%
Oliver Kylington 22 5.87%
Linus Lindstrom 0 0%
Ryan Lomberg 0 0%
Andrew Mangiapane 2 0.53%
Mitchell Mattson 0 0%
Mason McDonald 0 0%
Adam Ollas-Mattsson 1 0.27%
Matthew Phillips 0 0%
Emile Poirier 1 0.27%
Brett Pollock 0 0%
Daniel Pribyl 0 0%
Rushan Rafikov 0 0%
David Rittich 1 0.27%
Adam Ruzicka 0 0%
Nick Schneider 0 0%
Hunter Shinkaruk 0 0%
Hunter Smith 0 0%
Fililp Sveniingsson 0 0%
Eetu Tuulola 0 0%
Juuso Valimaki 66 17.60%
Tyler Wotherspoon 0 0%
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:40 PM   #21
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And we might be underrating Kylington who had 27 points as a 19/20 year old in the AHL.
And Keegan Kanzig!

Wait ...
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:41 PM   #22
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Gotta stick with Andersson.

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Old 07-05-2017, 01:59 PM   #23
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Round 3 - Rasmus Andersson come on down!
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:07 PM   #24
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Round 3 - Rasmus Andersson come on down!
13th to 6th to 3rd to not eligible?
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:25 PM   #25
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To top up on the Oliver Kylington thought about him being in the same tier as Andersson, Fox, & Vallimaki.

In the last 15 years these are the only U-20 d-men to play in the AHL (for 40+ games) and put up similar stats to Kylington.

Kylington: GP: 60 P: 27 PPG: 0.45

Honka: GP:68 P: 31 PPG:0.46
Burns: GP: 73 P:27 PPG: 0.37
Voynov: GP:79 P:29 PPG: 0.34
Suter: GP:63 P:23 PPG: 0.37
Carlson: GP:48 P:39 PPG:0.81
Ristolainen: GP:34 P:20 PPG:0.59
Lindholm: GP:44 P:11 PPG:0.25

The Lindholm stats comparison is especially close for draft season & draft+1. He took the step to the NHL in his draft+2 so hard to compare after that.

Lindholm:

Draft - SWE-1 GP:20 P:4 PPG:0.2
Draft +1 - AHL GP: 44 P:11 PPG: 0.25
Draft+2 - NHL GP: 78 P:30 PPG: 0.38

Kylington
Draft - SWE-1 GP:17 P:7 PPG:0.41
Draft +1 - AHL GP: 47 P:12 PPG: 0.26
Draft+2 - AHL GP: 60 P:27 PPG: 0.45

Really 3-6 are all pretty interchangable between Andersson, Fox, Valimaki, & Kylington IMO. Plus the darkhorse here is Adam Olias Mattson IMO - looked good in limited AHL action and is somewhat comparable development wise to Nik Hjalmarsson.

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Eh, Kylington played at a high level at a young age and put up points but has been questionable defensively to say the least. Comparing him to Lindholm is like apples to oranges IMO. Points aren't everything for a defenceman and Kylington still has a ton of work to do before NHL coaches will trust him to play regular minutes.

I think he's clearly behind Andersson and Valimaki for me
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^ Some good defence prospects in the Flames pipeline! Those are great to have and will only build in value if the players keep developing.
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Eh, Kylington played at a high level at a young age and put up points but has been questionable defensively to say the least. Comparing him to Lindholm is like apples to oranges IMO. Points aren't everything for a defenceman and Kylington still has a ton of work to do before NHL coaches will trust him to play regular minutes.

I think he's clearly behind Andersson and Valimaki for me
Yeah more to show career progression at similar points in their careers than anything.

For Lindholm defense was also a weakness in his draft year but he has clearly developed that aspect of his game.

For example this was from Lindholm's draft profile

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Lindholm's defensive hockey sense is where he needs the most work, as he's not bad in that area but he has his off moments. He does have good offensive instincts and vision, so there is potential that this problem could go away, but he does tend to look a little raw at times with his decisions in his own end or his overall positioning.
Sounds a little familiar doesn't it?

Really offensively the development path's have been the same, but it's now up to Kylington to round out his defensive play post draft the same way Lindholm did. According to people watching him in the AHL he made big strides year 1 to year 2, let's hope that it keeps up.

It's crazy to think of our defensive depth organizationally - remember this was an area flagged as a weakness when Treliving took over and before the Hamilton trade. Now....

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Wotherspoon - Andersson
Kylington - Fox
Valimaki - AOM
Healey

Including NHL, AHL, and prospect depth I feel like the Flames have to be the deepest in the NHL.

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I find it interesting that Andersson is getting so many more votes than Kylington, when Oliver arguably had the better season and is almost a year younger, to boot.
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Andersson for me, then I need to think about who I want between Fox, Valimaki and Gillies.
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Eh, Kylington played at a high level at a young age and put up points but has been questionable defensively to say the least. Comparing him to Lindholm is like apples to oranges IMO. Points aren't everything for a defenceman and Kylington still has a ton of work to do before NHL coaches will trust him to play regular minutes.

I think he's clearly behind Andersson and Valimaki for me
Exactly.

If he doesn't learn to play better defensively, he isn't going to get the ice-time that will even allow him to put up a lot of points in the NHL even if he has the skill to do so.

You don't see the one-dimensional defensemen much anymore these days. It used to be that a lot of teams would employ one, but it's rare now.
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I find it interesting that Andersson is getting so many more votes than Kylington, when Oliver arguably had the better season and is almost a year younger, to boot.
Better season by what measure?

Flames called up Andersson late season, he's closer to being an NHLer with a more well rounded game.
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I find it interesting that Andersson is getting so many more votes than Kylington, when Oliver arguably had the better season and is almost a year younger, to boot.
Pretty sure the Flames AHL coaches would put Andersson ahead of Kylington in NHL readiness.
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Pretty sure the Flames AHL coaches would put Andersson ahead of Kylington in NHL readiness.
Okay, but if NHL readiness is the deciding factor then Kulak Wotherspoon and Hathaway have to be the top prospects
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Okay, but if NHL readiness is the deciding factor then Kulak Wotherspoon and Hathaway have to be the top prospects
It's not the deciding factor merely one factor of many. But some of us believe Andersson and Kylington have similar upsides and therefore the NHL readiness could be the deciding factor in that case. Personally I have Andersson as being the better prospect because Kylington still has concerns about defensive play, strength vs big forwards and things along those lines. Andersson to me plays a much more mature game, has offensive upside maybe not quite as high as Kylington's but I think Andersson is a much, much safer bet to make the NHL overall. I still view Kylington as a risky boom or bust type prospect. IMO Andersson and Valimaki are much better bets to make the NHL with their overall games and lack of significant weaknesses.
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Andersson. Fox might have a higher ceiling - pretty historic freshman year - but Andersson is farther along and also has a high ceiling. Every season played is another hurdle and he's cleared more of them.
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Kylington until hes off the board, He has the highest ceiling and most unique skillset of our prospects. I'm hyped and look forward to our organization being the ones to develop him.

I like Fox but due to his size I would consider him less likely to reach his ceiling at this point in time
Andersson and Valimaki both seem like cant miss prospects with a lower ceiling that I would likely put 4-5th on the list.
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I think there are three prospects on this team's roster on opening night:

Mark Jankowski
Spencer Foo
Brett Kulak
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Had to go Andersson here. Fox may end up the better offensive weapon but I like Andersson's two way potential better
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Fox, over the other 3 defensemen

Based on the way Conroy talks about him
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