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GioforPM · 05-03-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zamler

You think his value is going to go up a year or 2 from now?

It’s going to be more than zero. Which is what you get if Gaudreau thwarts any trade post NTC and then walks. This exercise makes that a problem.

Joborule · 05-03-2021, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zamler

You think his value is going to go up a year or 2 from now?

Doesn't mean you can't trade both Johnny and Gaudreau this off season. The latter should yield a strong return, while Monahan may get you a mid-level return at best. Either way, Flames should have good foundation to build with if they trade both of them this off season.

troutman · 05-03-2021, 10:09 AM

1. Tkachuk (has most value, some troubling red flags)
2. Monahan (too soft for playoff hockey)
3. Gaudreau (could be persuaded to keep)

heep223 · 05-03-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by zamler

How is this a toss up? Team is weak as heck down the middle Monahan needs to be gone even if short term the team gets worse.

Team is weak down the middle so you trade the team’s best C?

Depends what you’re getting back but that logic seems odd to me. Wouldn’t it be better to create a package around wingers/dmen/prospects to get a #1 C, allowing Monahan to be an excellent #2C? Then you have the depth that you say is lacking.

Jiri Hrdina · 05-03-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by zamler

You think his value is going to go up a year or 2 from now?

Depends on if his current struggles are related to a correctable injury or not.

CalgaryFan1988 · 05-03-2021, 10:13 AM

Out of that list, I would trade Gaudreau, Backlund and Giordano.

Gaudreau has had a decent year considering how everyone else has played and should net a fair return, with the current contract expiring he's a no-brainer.

Backlund and Giordano need to move on as they are getting long in the tooth.

I think we'd be selling low on anything else.

Icantwhisper · 05-03-2021, 10:19 AM

I think Lindholm is the only untouchable skater, while not elite he's the type of player you use to build a team.
Don't know the room obviously but his compete seems high and he plays 200 ft

GioforPM · 05-03-2021, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

Team is weak down the middle so you trade the team’s best C?

Depends what you’re getting back but that logic seems odd to me. Wouldn’t it be better to create a package around wingers/dmen/prospects to get a #1 C, allowing Monahan to be an excellent #2C? Then you have the depth that you say is lacking.

There are a few options: Lindholm-Backlund-Ryan-rookie in a rebuild starting with moving Monahan. Elite C (or closer anyway)-Lindholm-Backlund-Ryan if Monahan is part of a trade for a better C or you get one in another deal (other than Eichel I have no idea who).

The Cobra · 05-03-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sean Monahan is the absolute slam dunk answer here. Get something for him now before his value really craters.

I think it likely already has. Not sure you could move him without take back a contact you might not like.

Sylvanfan · 05-03-2021, 10:25 AM

In it's current state this team can not be successful with both Monahan and Backlund. Monahan is not outproducing Backlund anymore and Backlunds game is far more rounded. They need to get Monahans salary slot to be a top 6 producing right winger.

I don't think switching out one player does much of anything though. By this time next year they need to have all three of Monahan, Giordano, and Gaudreau traded in my opinion and be working towards pretty much changing out every player within the next 4 years. But I don't see that happening.

zamler · 05-03-2021, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Depends on if his current struggles are related to a correctable injury or not.

What do you consider recent? 2018-2019 he has a strong season, then:

Among centers
2019-2020 34th in scoring (48) -16
2020-2021 57th in scoring (28) -6

Has he been injured for 2 straight seasons? You tell me, and if so sounds like a long term problem that can't be fixed. Either way he can't be the #1 center.

MJK · 05-03-2021, 10:31 AM

Gaudreau, get value back for him

Flame On · 05-03-2021, 10:34 AM

If you're trading for culture shake-up, for effectiveness (or lack there of) I'd go with Monahan.
If you're trading for contracts, because you can't re-up, then Johnny.

GioforPM · 05-03-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by zamler

What do you consider recent? 2018-2019 he has a strong season, then:

Among centers
2019-2020 34th in scoring (48) -16
2020-2021 57th in scoring (28) -6

Has he been injured for 2 straight seasons? You tell me, and if so sounds like a long term problem that can't be fixed. Either way he can't be the #1 center.

Both of those seasons are COVID seasons, with a weird and unpredictable off-season which makes treatment pretty hard. So it’s possible.

Monahan isn’t now a 1C and at best is a marginal one. But he’s paid like a strong 2C around the league.

topfiverecords · 05-03-2021, 10:36 AM

Can’t be just one this summer.

Dude Where's Makar? · 05-03-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

Monahan - he's done here. Needs a fresh start as does the org

Gaudreau - not sure he's a long term asset, so must look at moving asap

Giordano - symbiotic move at this stage

My opinion is that 2of 3, at least, must be moved.

I agree with this.

I believe this organization is still in the mindset of "win now" whether or not we agree with that. Hopefully like the Hamilton trade, Treliving can turn Johnny and Monahan into valuable player for player trades.

Lindholm, Tkachuk, Mangi, Dube, Tanev, Hanifin, Andersson, Markstrom are good pieces to still compete with.

If the Flames keep Treliving employed, this will be the biggest offseason in Flames history. He absolutely has to win these trades and free agency.

SeanCharles · 05-03-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

In it's current state this team can not be successful with both Monahan and Backlund. Monahan is not outproducing Backlund anymore and Backlunds game is far more rounded. They need to get Monahans salary slot to be a top 6 producing right winger.

I don't think switching out one player does much of anything though. By this time next year they need to have all three of Monahan, Giordano, and Gaudreau traded in my opinion and be working towards pretty much changing out every player within the next 4 years. But I don't see that happening.

Backlund is 6 years older..

You don’t keep Backlund over Monahan even if he has struggled lately.

dissentowner · 05-03-2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Backlund is 6 years older..

You don’t keep Backlund over Monahan even if he has struggled lately.

Both need to go if possible but the OP was choose one. I keep Backlund over Monahan.

The Cobra · 05-03-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Backlund is 6 years older..

You don’t keep Backlund over Monahan even if he has struggled lately.

I guess it depends on what Monny is likely to be in the future. Presumably the Flames have a better handle than us as what his problems are.

Does he have a chronic type injury which suggest his offence will never be what it was?

Macman · 05-03-2021, 10:55 AM

I'd pick Rasmus Anderson from your list there. You can still get good return for him and he's probably the most easy to replace.

I think a big issue with Sean Monahan here now and even to extent Johnny Gaudreau is coaching.

Where are the set plays to get Sean the puck, maybe I'm missing them but I don't think they're there. If he gets traded to a team like Tampa, he'll do nothing but score because that's how they play. Monahan is a goal scorer who doesn't need multiple chances and for that reason I would keep him.