I haven't watched it yet, but I suspect this review will not be kind:
Just watched the RLM review... they actually liked it!
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I don't get the timing of this announcement. Why would a studio so quickly shut down a sequel when it's getting great reviews and lots of engagement and views. They green lit a WW84 sequel right away and ZS JL is doing better than that. WB just took away all the momentum and good will from the weekend.
WB said this about ZSJL, so don't be surprised if they flip flop over time.
I am guessing the main reason why they did announce it though was to save money on multiple big budget box office busts. ZSJL wasn't a good movie, it was better than the original, but it just wasn't a very good movie worthy of multiple follow up movies worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Lately (the last 15 years) they have tried to make Fate younger and more hip. His charm is that he is one of the most powerful characters in the DCU, and zero percent hip. He also is really interesting in his viewpoint. He will send someone to an alternate dimension to live in pain and suffering for all eternity, but be happy that he didn't have to do anything violent to the person. At least old Fate was like that. DCU needs some more weird dudes.
Charisma is different, which is what makes this great casting.
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Not sure "Mrs. Doubtfire star" is what comes to mind when I think of Pierce Brosnan, but to each their own.
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Pretty solid casting. So Black Adam, Atom Smasher, Cyclone, Hawkman and Dr. fate all cast so far. The JSA is forming up.
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Just finished up watching JL. I never saw the first one and couldn't get through BvS. The movie was fine, however I am left with the feeling it could of been more. I really wish that DC went the route of the MCU and spent some time developing the heroes and villians in their own movies. I think this would of created a much better sense of connection to the plot of JL. It just felt like they needed to rush out a collab movie to jump on the super hero money train instead of world building. I think if they would have done some wolrd building movies first that JL could of been a great film, instead they just get a "meh that was fine".
Just finished up watching JL. I never saw the first one and couldn't get through BvS. The movie was fine, however I am left with the feeling it could of been more. I really wish that DC went the route of the MCU and spent some time developing the heroes and villians in their own movies. I think this would of created a much better sense of connection to the plot of JL. It just felt like they needed to rush out a collab movie to jump on the super hero money train instead of world building. I think if they would have done some wolrd building movies first that JL could of been a great film, instead they just get a "meh that was fine".
It was 4 hours long. How much more do you want?
I kid...you're absolutely right though. A lot is said of Snyder's character development, but the fact of the matter is that DC wanted to get rich quick and didnt want to put in the work.
So they skipped all the buildup and went straight to the tentpoles.
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I kid...you're absolutely right though. A lot is said of Snyder's character development, but the fact of the matter is that DC wanted to get rich quick and didnt want to put in the work.
So they skipped all the buildup and went straight to the tentpoles.
This^ is the main reason why the MCU get's a lot more leeway with their movies. They took the time to build it up from the very beginning, fleshing out characters and relationships while taking the chance that comic book movies may not be the next big thing.
Once the MCU was off and running the DCEU wanted to jump on the momentum of CBM's created by the MCU without doing any of the heavy lifting required to build out a proper DCEU. This is the main reason why, in my opinion, their movies have in large part failed to meet expectations.
Throw everyone into the movie! Have terrible scripts! But the fights are awesome!!!
Nahh give me the years long character arcs and story building that the MCU offers over the over-the-top action and diluted storylines that DCEU offers every time.
This^ is the main reason why the MCU get's a lot more leeway with their movies. They took the time to build it up from the very beginning, fleshing out characters and relationships while taking the chance that comic book movies may not be the next big thing.
Once the MCU was off and running the DCEU wanted to jump on the momentum of CBM's created by the MCU without doing any of the heavy lifting required to build out a proper DCEU. This is the main reason why, in my opinion, their movies have in large part failed to meet expectations.
Throw everyone into the movie! Have terrible scripts! But the fights are awesome!!!
Nahh give me the years long character arcs and story building that the MCU offers over the over-the-top action and diluted storylines that DCEU offers every time.
Meh...
Do we really need an origin story for all the DC characters?
Also many of the Marvel origin stories have been their worst movies: Captain America, Thor 1/2, Captain Marvel, Hulk, etc...Of the main cast of the original Avengers movie, the only character with a good backstory buildup movie was Iron Man.
It's all a lot simpler. Good movies are good. Bad movies are bad.
Do we really need an origin story for all the DC characters?
Also many of the Marvel origin stories have been their worst movies: Captain America, Thor 1/2, Captain Marvel, Hulk, etc...Of the main cast of the original Avengers movie, the only character with a good backstory buildup movie was Iron Man.
It's all a lot simpler. Good movies are good. Bad movies are bad.
You don't need origin stories, but if setting up a film where you plan to do very little character development even in your 4 hour extended cut, you ought to do some beforehand. That is, of course, if this is meant to be something substantial, and not a throwaway action movie like the Expendables.
And that's what this is. It's the Expandables. It's a bunch of names brought together for no real other reason than to have them together. And that's fine. But it's an entertaining gimmick at best. The story, the characters, they obviously don't matter. It's just a collection of set pieces and banking on the gimmick. The Avengers movies (even the first one is kind of weak all things considers) were events, because they covered all the bases. Sure, there were new characters, but the main characters stood on their own.
Some of the origin stories from Marvel might not be their best films, but they're all better rated than either version of Justice League. So if good movies are good, and bad movies are bad, then Justice League is just bad.
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The way the MCU did it from a empire building monetary perspective was quite smart.
You could make the argument that if Iron Man was a flop, none of this happens. But for a relatively low budget, kind of obscure Superhero movie it was a huge hit. Cap 1 was average, Thor 1 was average, Thor 2 was forgettable, Iron Man 2 and 3 were pretty average and so on.
Civil War, and the Avengers movies were great (except for maybe AoU) and they built this huge following and built up the credibility and hype of the franchise. It's come to the point where they can make an AntMan movie for 100million and have it pull in over 500 million at the box office. Despite it being an okay, enjoyable, albeit forgettable movie.
The MCU is at the poker table raking it in with pairs and the odd full house .
The DCU is losing their shirt waiting on a royal flush to go all in.
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The way the MCU did it from a empire building monetary perspective was quite smart.
You could make the argument that if Iron Man was a flop, none of this happens. But for a relatively low budget, kind of obscure Superhero movie it was a huge hit. Cap 1 was average, Thor 1 was average, Thor 2 was forgettable, Iron Man 2 and 3 were pretty average and so on.
Civil War, and the Avengers movies were great (except for maybe AoU) and they built this huge following and built up the credibility and hype of the franchise. It's come to the point where they can make an AntMan movie for 100million and have it pull in over 500 million at the box office. Despite it being an okay, enjoyable, albeit forgettable movie.
The MCU is at the poker table raking it in with pairs and the odd full house .
The DCU is losing their shirt waiting on a royal flush to go all in.
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And the real sad fact is.....they got it.
They used 'Death of Superman' and 'The Dark Knight Returns' and some Darkseid in the same damned movie, along with some other good source material.
You're talking about two of some of the most iconic and epic comic storylines and source material around....and this is what we got.
I mean...if thats not the 'Royal Flush' you're waiting for....then it just isnt coming.
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You don't need origin stories, but if setting up a film where you plan to do very little character development even in your 4 hour extended cut, you ought to do some beforehand. That is, of course, if this is meant to be something substantial, and not a throwaway action movie like the Expendables.
And that's what this is. It's the Expandables. It's a bunch of names brought together for no real other reason than to have them together. And that's fine. But it's an entertaining gimmick at best. The story, the characters, they obviously don't matter. It's just a collection of set pieces and banking on the gimmick. The Avengers movies (even the first one is kind of weak all things considers) were events, because they covered all the bases. Sure, there were new characters, but the main characters stood on their own.
Some of the origin stories from Marvel might not be their best films, but they're all better rated than either version of Justice League. So if good movies are good, and bad movies are bad, then Justice League is just bad.
When I saw Avengers for the first time, I really did not give an F about Hulk's backstory.
As for "rating", I'm assuming you mean Rotten Tomatoes? Disney is the king of making movies that are just good enough to get a "fresh rating". Even then the Snyder cut is ranked about Thor: Dark World, Iron Man 2, and the hulk movies.
It's an issue of preference too. But I prefer my sci-fi to be more off the wall. I really don't care how family or Chinese censor friendly it is. In fact, with everything that's going on, I'd prefer to offend the Chinese government censors at the cost of increased revenue. I know a lot of Marvel fans don't see it that way.
