IMO McDavid is the most naturally gifted player in the league. His skating speed and ability to make the plays at that speed is unmatched.
But I don't think his hockey sense or ability to make those around him better is at the same level as Crosby at Crosby's prime.
McDavid will be flashier, and might put up the better career points. But I think Crosby will have the more successful career.
I could be wrong about this, obviously, but I don't think McDavid is dynamic or versatile enough to score into his later years when he inevitably slows down a bit. Once his speed is no longer 'god-mode' I think his numbers will fall significantly.
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I could be wrong about this, obviously, but I don't think McDavid is dynamic or versatile enough to score into his later years when he inevitably slows down a bit. Once his speed is no longer 'god-mode' I think his numbers will fall significantly.
The guy is great at what he does, but I honestly see him as no greater player than Pavel Bure was. Immense skill, but his overall hockey abilities are mediocre for a high end player.
The guy is great at what he does, but I honestly see him as no greater player than Pavel Bure was. Immense skill, but his overall hockey abilities are mediocre for a high end player.
I know what you are saying - I think he is a similar player to Bure, but I think Bure is a poor man's McDavid. As a fast, purely offensive player, he is one of, if not the best in recent memory.
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I know what you are saying - I think he is a similar player to Bure, but I think Bure is a poor man's McDavid. As a fast, purely offensive player, he is one of, if not the best in recent memory.
I hate it as much as you do. He's not a winner or a leader though, and ultimately that will be how he'll be remembered.
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I hate it as much as you do. He's not a winner or a leader though, and ultimately that will be how he'll be remembered.
He's 24 years old and part of a delusional organization that doesn't even know what a winning culture has looked like since the 80s. There's still a chance for McDavid to grow his game and become more versatile defensively so he can viewed as more of a leader on the ice. Hopefully it doesn't happen with the Oilers though. The lack of support depth should ensure that won't be the case.
I could be wrong about this, obviously, but I don't think McDavid is dynamic or versatile enough to score into his later years when he inevitably slows down a bit. Once his speed is no longer 'god-mode' I think his numbers will fall significantly.
McDavid is closing in on his 5th straight season with 60+ assists. You can’t do that with physical tools alone - Taylor Hall has never had 60 apples once, and he’s as pure a “physical tools” player as you get.
Connor is going to be a top 10 player until he’s 35, barring injury. Our only hope is that for the back half of his career, he’s not an Oiler.
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Cool, he gets points. When people think about greatness, they see the trophies they hold at the end of the season. Connor won't be lifting the Stanley Cup as long as he's an Oiler, and certainly not until he figures out how to be a 2-way player on top of being a producer as well.
Cool, he gets points. When people think about greatness, they see the trophies they hold at the end of the season. Connor won't be lifting the Stanley Cup as long as he's an Oiler, and certainly not until he figures out how to be a 2-way player on top of being a producer as well.
We hope.
If you have two MVP centres, you don’t need much beyond a goalie, solid coach and a supporting cast that knows how to not #### up to do a LOT of damage.
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Thats the thing about Crosby....he's been tossed every roadblock there is especially significant concussion issues.
But he always bounces back up better than ever.
Small point of clarification, but Sid’s major “concussion” that kept him out in 2011-12 was actually a misdiagnosed neck injury.
He’s the best player in the game for my money. Anyone who hasn’t seen him play live at least once needs to spend the money next time the opportunity presents itself, because it’s just different watching him on the ice. It’s tough to even describe, but he glides around the ice like a shark, and even when he doesn’t have the puck, you sense that he’s still the one controlling the entire game.
And then the puck ends up on his stick. It’s uncanny.
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Pat McAfee was loving him today for coming thru on a Fan Duels bet for him.
For me him and Patrice Bergeron really epitomize what a top NHL Center is in this era. There are others, but these two for me are the standouts, and Crosby is just a cut above.
McDavid and MacKinnon may be the guys who define the next era with a bit more focus driving offence with their speed. But at this point neither of those guys has played a game after the second round of the playoffs.
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If you have two MVP centres, you don’t need much beyond a goalie, solid coach and a supporting cast that knows how to not #### up to do a LOT of damage.
2 centers that play together
McDavid is on the ice for 70% of Drai points
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Pat McAfee was loving him today for coming thru on a Fan Duels bet for him.
For me him and Patrice Bergeron really epitomize what a top NHL Center is in this era. There are others, but these two for me are the standouts, and Crosby is just a cut above.
McDavid and MacKinnon may be the guys who define the next era with a bit more focus driving offence with their speed. But at this point neither of those guys has played a game after the second round of the playoffs.
Gretzky
Lemieux
Crosby
Sakic
Yzerman
Messier Esposito/Beliveau - maybe a few others of past era
Bergeron?
The tier below this could be pretty expansive (Forsberg/Fedorov to Francis/Dionne to Trottier to Thornton to Modano to Mikita to Clarke to Hawerchuk to Malkin/Kopitar/Toews/Getzlaf/Datsyuk, etc.)...my question is, has Bergeron distinguished himself from this group, as I'd argue Sakic, Yzerman, and *puke* Messier did?
I suppose it's a tough sell considering he's never cracked 80 pts in a season, only been PPG once (79 in 65gp '18-19), and doesn't even have 1000 pts (currently 916 in 1141 gp). Is it crazy that Gretz/Lemieux/Crosby/Sakic are the only 4 guys I'm 100% certain I'd take ahead of Bergeron? Though you wouldn't have to twist my arm very hard to take any of the other guys I mentioned (and probably several others) instead...
Put another way, has Bergeron distinguished himself from the post-Sakic group of C's bolded above?
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