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Old 10-11-2020, 07:32 PM   #41
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^great post.

I’ll also add that even with the additions from other stupid GMs that first year Vegas roster was a bubble team at best. They rode great coaching, a revived MAF, and career scoring years all the way to the Cup final. Then that success, plus other benefits of living in Vegas, was used as leverage to attract Pacioretty and Stone and now Lehner and Pietro to become a legitimate contender.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:41 PM   #42
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They had enough assets to get Tatar for a first a second and a third, then just trade him in a cap dump situation for Paccioretty.

Vegas was given too much “expansion power”

To enter the league and Enter the top 6 teams of Stanley cup contender and be able to be there for the next 6 years because of the assets given to them.


I can’t wait for them to fail so horribly in 10 years and become the Quebec Nordiques.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:53 PM   #43
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How much better will Vegas be with Pietrangelo, but without Schmidt and Stastny? He's clearly the better player, but how much better impact on the standings? I'd suggest Markstrom will have a greater impact on the Flames standings than the changes the Knights have made.

Also, is AP a good stylistic fit for the Knights?

Pietro and the Blues had success under Hitch and Berube defense-first, aggressive forechecking style. They were terrible under Yeo's fast pace transition puck possession style; a style more like the Knights.
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:15 PM   #44
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Despite all the reports about Alex Pietrangelo, I can confirm that he hasn’t made a decision and I don’t expect there will be one tonight
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:17 PM   #45
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I don't buy it...he is going to Vegas

they are trying not to seem desperate to move players
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:17 PM   #46
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So you're saying there's a chance?
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:18 PM   #47
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Buffalo. Its Buffalo isn't it?
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:24 PM   #48
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Top 10 in the NHL last season.

They ran into a hot G after an unplanned 3 month layoff in the post season in the conference finals. Thats really all that happened.

This guy certainly makes that team a whole lot better as far as slotting players...that much is for sure.
Every team had a 3 month layoff. Apparently the HOT goalie must have had a magic genie so he didn't have this same layoff. Poor excuse for every team that uses it.
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:26 PM   #49
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I am pretty sure he will end up signing in Vegas, but it would be damn funny if he signed in Buffalo.
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:29 PM   #50
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I am pretty sure he will end up signing in Vegas, but it would be damn funny if he signed in Buffalo.
Yes but he is taking a long term deal 100%...I don't think he has been hit in the head as many times as Hall
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:29 PM   #51
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They had enough assets to get Tatar for a first a second and a third, then just trade him in a cap dump situation for Paccioretty.

Vegas was given too much “expansion power”

To enter the league and Enter the top 6 teams of Stanley cup contender and be able to be there for the next 6 years because of the assets given to them.


I can’t wait for them to fail so horribly in 10 years and become the Quebec Nordiques.
Good point. Now that they are capped out, how many of their draft picks have made the team since inception? Now that the cap is maxed and they have to trade draft picks as a kicker to move a player like Schmidt how much longer will they be high in the standings.
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:42 PM   #52
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Trade Bennett & Hanifin + Ryan

Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane (2.25)
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Gawdin (.790) - Dubé
Rinaldo - Ruzicka - Phillips
Robinson

Giordano - Pietrangelo (8.0)
Tanev - Andersson
Mackey - Välimäki
Kylington (.790)

Markström
Rittich

Cap Hit: $80,154,165
Buyouts: $2,666,667
Bonuses: $947,500
Cap Space: $1,345,835

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Well we're still in 2020, so...
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I really wish it were Buffalo just to see Leafs Nation have a meltdown.
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Tanev - Andersson
Nitpicky, because this scenario won't happen, but we didn't finally get another RHD to play him on the left side.
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Trade Bennett & Hanifin + Ryan

Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane (2.25)
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Gawdin (.790) - Dubé
Rinaldo - Ruzicka - Phillips
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Giordano - Pietrangelo (8.0)
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Bonuses: $947,500
Cap Space: $1,345,835

That bottom six is brutal.
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Every team had a 3 month layoff. Apparently the HOT goalie must have had a magic genie so he didn't have this same layoff. Poor excuse for every team that uses it.
Their offense went cold....#### happens.

Regardless the Knights do not lack scoring which is what the whole thing was about.
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Expansion draft was made easier by the other GM's.

Columbus protected Wennberg, who they bought out 3 years later and gave Vegas a 1st round pick so that they would pick Karlsson over Josh Anderson

Panthers traded Smith for a 4th rounder and the commitment that Vegas pick Marchessault so that they could keep a stud like Petrovic

The Ducks gave them Shea Theodore just so they would not take the great Josh Manson

Basically their entire first line in their first two years and their best defenceman over their franchise history were given to them because of terrible moves by other GM's, and they got additional assets as well.

Their franchise history is significantly different if they get Petrovic, Manson and Anderson instead of Marchessault, Smith, Karlsson, Theodore and a 1st round pick.
This is most defiantly one of the most astute comments I have ever read on here.

You are right the GMs screwed themselves in the end but I will still always hate Vegas and am mad about their early success.

I have always said I don’t blame them as an organization because the GMs can’t help themselves.

You look at some of their moves and know you could do a better job, qualifications or not.

It just hurts extra cause they are in our division and are now a desirable destination for players but part of me just feels like you need to earn success in a way, and not just by being shrewd and taking advantage of scrambling GMs in an uncomfortable situation but by biding your time and building a contender over years.
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Expansion draft was made easier by the other GM's.

Columbus protected Wennberg, who they bought out 3 years later and gave Vegas a 1st round pick so that they would pick Karlsson over Josh Anderson

Panthers traded Smith for a 4th rounder and the commitment that Vegas pick Marchessault so that they could keep a stud like Petrovic

The Ducks gave them Shea Theodore just so they would not take the great Josh Manson

Basically their entire first line in their first two years and their best defenceman over their franchise history were given to them because of terrible moves by other GM's, and they got additional assets as well.

Their franchise history is significantly different if they get Petrovic, Manson and Anderson instead of Marchessault, Smith, Karlsson, Theodore and a 1st round pick.
Exactly.

Plus: Fleury came in and went full God mode.
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