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Old 07-21-2018, 09:54 PM   #161
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Fleury was also top 5 in Hart voting twice, and the first time Theo was just 22-years-old!
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:08 PM   #162
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Except you know, being the current boss/former boss of the members on the committee.

No conflict of interest there


I think he deserves it eventually but the post you commented on is spot on
Nope. Only a handful of these guys ever worked under Bettman.




John Davidson, Chair


James M. Gregory, Chair Emeritus


David Branch


Brian Burke


Colin Campbell


Bob Clarke


Marc de Foy

Eric Duhatschek


Michael Farber

Ron Francis


Mike Gartner


Anders Hedberg


Jari Kurri


Igor Larionov


Pierre McGuire


Bob McKenzie


David Poile


Luc Robitaille
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Old 07-22-2018, 10:25 AM   #163
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Nope. Only a handful of these guys ever worked under Bettman.




John Davidson, Chair


James M. Gregory, Chair Emeritus


David Branch


Brian Burke


Colin Campbell


Bob Clarke


Marc de Foy

Eric Duhatschek


Michael Farber

Ron Francis


Mike Gartner


Anders Hedberg


Jari Kurri


Igor Larionov


Pierre McGuire


Bob McKenzie


David Poile


Luc Robitaille
Ya that was... sort of my point?

I guess more accurate to say “some of the members”, but still... the optics of electing the acting commissioner of the league to the hall of fame are hilarious.

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Old 07-22-2018, 02:31 PM   #164
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Inflated stats from the era he played in. ###### bag wherever he played and teammates despised him. Always had an agenda all about Theo and still does. Ask the mother of his first kid how she feels about him.

Never retire his number, there are at least 5 other guys from the cup winning Flames that deserve the respect before Fleury does.





Please name the 5 players from the cup team who deserve it more than Fleury.

Please also make a case that each of their contributions to the Flames are greater than Fleury.

Quite frankly I think your claim is b/s
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Agree Theo deserves to have his number retired same as iggy.i like the Forever a _____ the Flames do with all the teams but they still should retire certain Numbers on those teams and do the forever thing for the other players that are special to the teams
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:49 PM   #166
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Inflated stats from the era he played in. ###### bag wherever he played and teammates despised him. Always had an agenda all about Theo and still does. Ask the mother of his first kid how she feels about him.

Never retire his number, there are at least 5 other guys from the cup winning Flames that deserve the respect before Fleury does.
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This is not a “sure you can argue...” point, it’s a blatantly misrepresentative one. How about a Stanley Cup? How about being over a point per game in nearly 800 games played?

You want to talk about off the ice? How about being the recipient of the Canadian Humanitarian Award? Or the Queen’s Jubilee Medallion awarded to those who have made a significant contribution to Canada?

Your post is terrible because it’s not a matter of you disliking Fleury, it’s you disliking Fleury and actively discrediting his accomplishments as a Flame and as Canadian. It’s embarrassing to watch as a fellow Flames fan, honestly.

You look at where he lands in contributions on and off the ice and the decision is obvious. If Canada can honour him, and (as you said) off the ice should matter, why can’t Calgary?
Stanley Cup - Already covered it. Came in as a rookie, and won it. That's great. I see 2 players retired from that team.

Point per game - yep, he was a point per game in a time when scoring was elevated for the most part. I never said he wasn't highly skilled or productive, however, did I?

Off the ice, GREAT! Humanitarian Award you say? Not the Scurfield. No, it was one that he was awarded after he was retired, no? Should we retire everyone after they have long retired from the game and honour them if they somehow do something fantastic? I don't remember him being fantastic as a Calgary Flame in that way.

Hey, it is great that he has his life together and is making a tonne of positive contributions to society. No, I don't 'hate' Fleury. I am definitely not a fanboy. I think the bar has to be set high. Fleury won a cup with the Flames, has the 28 SHG record for the Flames, 7 time all-star (that nobody even mentioned yet), won the NHL Plus-Minus award and finished off at over a PPG.

Some fans see this as deserving of being retired. I think it should be higher. I think that in light of his disparaging remarks to the Flames and his selfishness on the ice (though I guess fanboys would just cite as being 'all heart!'), I argue that it just isn't enough. He was a fan favourite, but his TIME AS A CALGARY FLAME (need to capitalize this for you so you don't accuse me of misrepresenting something again due to a lack of reading comprehension) is not enough.

I get it, he was a 'hero' to many, but take your feelings out of it and I just don't see it. He was a sparkplug out there, a highly skilled sparkplug that put up lots of points over his career, but he barely holds any records, won practically no individual awards of note... Sorry, but you will never convince me.

Oh, and take your down-talk "I am an embarrassment as a Flames Fan" and shove it up you know where. It isn't personal just because I dislike one of your heroes in life, so stop acting so hurt.

Discreding him as a Canadian. ROFLMAO. Again, we are talking about Fleury AS A FLAME. You know, his time as a Calgary Flame. Nothing less, nothing more. You don't consider anyone's performance or community involvement and achievements when they are no longer tied with that organization. If we can't agree that his jersey retirement/forever a Flame should be tied-in with how he was as a Flame, then there is simply no more discussion to be had.
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Please name the 5 players from the cup team who deserve it more than Fleury.

Please also make a case that each of their contributions to the Flames are greater than Fleury.

Quite frankly I think your claim is b/s
Loob, Mullen, Suter, Peplinski, Roberts. Fleury never did anything for others that didn't further his own agenda. Took my 80 year old mother to a function 5 years ago where Fleury's "band" was playing so she could get an autograph and show him some family pictures she has had since 1960 (Fleury parents, Aunt and Uncles and my family). He signed a couple things and then she walked away. As soon as she was gone started laughing with his buddies, calling her down and said "why do these old broads think I give a ####". I was sitting right behind him when he said it and the asshat tried to deny he said it. Always has been a ###### bag.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:57 PM   #169
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Another thing about Fleury that I loved...one year he led the team in both scoring and penalty minutes. A couple of other years he led the team in scoring and was 2nd on the team in penalty minutes. He did it on the Rangers as well.

Now, that's not an easy thing to do. When did he have time to score all those points? He was sitting in the box more than any other player on the team. Not to mention the guy was 5' 6" tall for Christ's sake. Name me another player like Theo in the league. How can you not love the guy?
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:16 PM   #170
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5' 6" but played like he was 6' 5", I remember him trying to take on Lindros.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:52 PM   #171
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Really trying to get a lot of snark mileage out of the SH goal record...
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Old 07-23-2018, 05:24 PM   #172
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Please name the 5 players from the cup team who deserve it more than Fleury.

Please also make a case that each of their contributions to the Flames are greater than Fleury.

Quite frankly I think your claim is b/s
Just to be devil's advocate Theo potted alot of Game Winners though.

Al Macinnis
Mike Vernon
Doug Gilmour
Hakan Loob
Joey Mullen
Brad McCrimmon
Joe Nieuwendyk

God that team ruled.

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Loob, Mullen, Suter, Peplinski, Roberts. Fleury never did anything for others that didn't further his own agenda. Took my 80 year old mother to a function 5 years ago where Fleury's "band" was playing so she could get an autograph and show him some family pictures she has had since 1960 (Fleury parents, Aunt and Uncles and my family). He signed a couple things and then she walked away. As soon as she was gone started laughing with his buddies, calling her down and said "why do these old broads think I give a ####". I was sitting right behind him when he said it and the asshat tried to deny he said it. Always has been a ###### bag.
Suter? lol, with his single assist in 6 games? He was injured. Peplinksi?
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Just to be devil's advocate Theo potted alot of Game Winners though.

Al Macinnis
Mike Vernon
Doug Gilmour
Hakan Loob
Joey Mullen
Brad McCrimmon
Joe Nieuwendyk

God that team ruled.


Suter? lol, with his single assist in 6 games? He was injured. Peplinksi?
Not who contributed more during the playoff run.

Who contributed more as a Flame.

Some great players there, but over the course of their careers as Flames Gilmour, Loob, Mullen, McCrimmon certainly did not contribute more than Fleury.

Can be argued that Nieuwendyk and MacInnis were close. Vernon played a different position so it's tough to compare.
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I get it, he was a 'hero' to many, but take your feelings out of it and I just don't see it. He was a sparkplug out there, a highly skilled sparkplug that put up lots of points over his career, but he barely holds any records, won practically no individual awards of note... Sorry, but you will never convince me.
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I do think he should be in the Hall of Fame.

I'm still on the fence about whether 14 should be retired by the Flames.

His comments in 2010, after he was cut from training camp, really soured my opinion of him. I thought he'd made progress, checked his ego a bit and would have been grateful for the opportunity but instead acted like a jerk. Calling out Conroy and saying management was stupid. Though in hindsight he might have been right...

He didn't make any friends with his comments about Gaudreau a few years later either.

I don't doubt 14 will be retired eventually. I just don't know if it'll happen with this executive group.
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His comments in 2010, after he was cut from training camp, really soured my opinion of him. I thought he'd made progress, checked his ego a bit and would have been grateful for the opportunity but instead acted like a jerk. Calling out Conroy and saying management was stupid. Though in hindsight he might have been right...

Had he made the team that year, I'm betting Theo would have put up at least 40 points as a PP specialist. I remember him looking a bit slower in training camp in terms of his speed, but he still had those great hands and he didn't look out of place at all. As a huge Fleury fan growing up, I was super bummed when he was cut.
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Had he made the team that year, I'm betting Theo would have put up at least 40 points as a PP specialist. I remember him looking a bit slower in training camp in terms of his speed, but he still had those great hands and he didn't look out of place at all. As a huge Fleury fan growing up, I was super bummed when he was cut.
A bit slower? A BIT?
Dude was skating in thick, delicious, gravy.
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A bit slower? A BIT?
Dude was skating in thick, delicious, gravy.
Some of it made it inside him.
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I miss the guys like Fleury, Roenick and Hull. Outspoken and did not give a ####. Now everybody is dull.
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SMH @ these posters typing like they know Theo in real life. Judging on his personal life on CP if his number should be retired. Number 14 should be in the rafters for his play on the ice. Don't judge a man if you never walked in his shoes.

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