[PGT] Sens Score 5 to the Flames' 1

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I hate that Lucic interview for one reason:

“Instead of trying to make that play to Benny, I’ve got to get that in”

It’s that type of scared passive mentality that is causing this team to struggle. Trying the pass itself is fine, but if you mess of you better get on your horse and get back. Which is what both Lucic and Bennett failed to do.

To point the finger at attempting the pass itself is why I think it’s also a coaching issue. You fault the effort on the back check there and the execution but not the attempt to actually make a play.

But that’s the issue with this coaching staff. They want this team to play ultra passive, ultra safe, and afraid to make a play or take a risk.

I think Lucic was just trying to shoulder the blame - I’m not taking much from that.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett and Lucic don't need to be passing pucks into the middle of the ice...maybe the top two lines but those guys should be nothing but crashing and banging.

Every line needs to mix it up. Lucic and Bennett had the space and the time to attempt a play there.

Bennett needs to be harder on the puck and both need to put a lot more effort on the backcheck, but to fault the pass attempt is the issue with this team.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Lucic was just trying to shoulder the blame - I’m not taking much from that.

Not a chance.

“puck management”, “Getting it deep”, and “Safe plays at both bluelines” are all things that Ward has preached since becoming coach.

Lucic uses that example because him and Bennett heard about it in intermission for sure.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Dion

Coach and GM.

How long have they known about the problem players?

[bluejays]

Makes me wonder if Treliving doesn't want to fire the coach because he doesn't want the spotlight to be squarely on him when the team inevitably doesn't do as well even with a coaching change. I said it since the off-season this team wasn't good enough. Aside from goaltending, this off-season no position improved despite the glaring need for high end skill at every position. I thought despite this they were good for 3rd or so in the division. They're Canucks bad. May as well just call this season the beginning of the rebuild and make any needed trades with US teams as needing to get anyone in the lineup this season won't help short of a miracle. This is beyond coaching, though that seems to be the focus of late.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well accountability in a league with guaranteed contracts would come by trading the players to a different team. But if it is the players then it is Brad who should walk the plank first. But to be a “it’s the players and not Brad” is the position that takes ingenuity in my opinion. To the best of my knowledge none of the players have the ability to force a GM to have them on their team. So if the players are the problem then your first move should be getting rid of the guy who got the players and allow someone else to find the right players. There is not a single player on this team who has not had their contract negotiated with anyone other than Brad Treliving as the GM. Brad made a conscious decision to put this group of players together, so if it is the players I would get rid of the GM and then let that person who is the new GM get rid of the players that they think do not fit.

At some point the players have to perform on the ice. The main problem with this group is that the key players failed to progress like was hoped. You can hang that on the GM I suppose, but at some point he puts the roster together and the folks actually playing the game produce or they don't.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Every line needs to mix it up. Lucic and Bennett had the space and the time to attempt a play there.

Bennett needs to be harder on the puck and both need to put a lot more effort on the backcheck, but to fault the pass attempt is the issue with this team.

but they lack the skill...how many goals off Lucic turnovers in the middle of the ice this week?

And honestly Bennett can just sit until the expansion draft. Imagine asking for a trade when you are lucky to be in the NHL

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Flame On

So under what scenario do you hold coaches accountable. Two can play the cop-out game.

Jiri can speak for himself, but he's mentioned many times on this site he's not a fan of Ward's.

Holding the players accountable doesn't mean the coach doesn't deserve any blame.

[djsFlames]

The Heat might have played a better game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Jiri can speak for himself, but he's mentioned many times on this site he's not a fan of Ward's.

Holding the players accountable doesn't mean the coach doesn't deserve any blame.

Right. I am no Ward fan but this notion that a new coach just flips a switch on these guys is IMO being a tad over invested in the players.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I have a hard time blaming the players when they are playing so far below anyone's expectations, and they look just terrible doing it.

It's one things to lose games, and another to get repeatedly embarrassed.

I said in the game thread. The Flames were starting to really take over, and press the Sens. We got an offensive zone faceoff and Ward sends out the 4th line. That move stopped the momentum dead. There was no reason to not press with your other three lines to get a goal. Instead Ward sent out his momentum killing 4the line. Brutal game management.

This team loses momentum far too easily if that's the case.
They need some f'n mental strength.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flame On

So under what scenario do you hold coaches accountable. Two can play the cop-out game.

How many times do I have to say that I would fire the coach?
My less snippy reply: when the coach doesn't make rationale choices, and seems to be a poor communicator with his team. Which seems to be the case here.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Jiri can speak for himself, but he's mentioned many times on this site he's not a fan of Ward's.

Holding the players accountable doesn't mean the coach doesn't deserve any blame.

Good. Where is our useless captain in all of this? Still no blame on his piss poor leadership? The only memorable thing he did all season was give us a soundbite.

Give the C to Lucic.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

but they lack the skill...how many goals off Lucic turnovers in the middle of the ice this week?

And honestly Bennett can just sit until the expansion draft. Imagine asking for a trade when you are lucky to be in the NHL

Lucic has made a lot of nice passes too, think he had a similar pass that sprung a guy for a breakaway this year.

The issue is not attempting that pass. The whole lineup needs to have the confidence to try to make a play.

The issue is neither of them gave enough effort on that backcheck. Bennett makes a smarter play and gives some effort on the backcheck and this giveaway isn’t even being talked about for a second.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Holding the players accountable doesn't mean the coach doesn't deserve any blame.

How do you hold the players accountable?

[iamca]

One question: when will something change with this team/organization?

I am referring to the type of changes that actually moves the dial...

So when? This month? End of the season? Off-season?


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[Bleeding Red]

Maybe we start a rumor that some big wig is interested in buying the team and moving it to Florida??

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by iamca

One question: when will something change with this team/organization?

I am referring to the type of changes that actually moves the dial...

So when? This month? End of the season? Off-season?


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More than likely: off-season.

[dino7c]

I'm good with Lucic's effort ect. I just don't think he should be throwing pucks into the middle of the ice....they are the one line that should be dumping and chasing.

I mean there are 5+ goals against this year that are because Lucic throws a puck into the middle of the ice.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right. I am no Ward fan but this notion that a new coach just flips a switch on these guys is IMO being a tad over invested in the players.

Is there a single poster that thinks coaching change will solve all the problems. Seriously even one?

[MillerTime GFG]

“Back to the gym”

...Did not age well.