Ongoing Residential Schools Tragedy Discussion

[transplant99]

Absolutely horrifying.

Quote:
Chief Rosanne Casimir of the Tk’emlups te Secwépemc First Nation said in a news release Thursday that the remains were confirmed last weekend with the help of a ground-penetrating radar specialist.

Casimir said band officials are informing community members and surrounding communities that had children who attended the school.

“This is the beginning but, given the nature of this news, we felt it important to share immediately,” she said.

The school operated between 1890 and 1969. The federal government took over the operation from the Catholic Church to operate as a day school until it closed in 1978.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...?ocid=msedgdhp

[agulati]

Unfathomable and absolutely tragic loss of life. To think so many of the families and community members who would have passed without closure on missing children. So depressing and heartbreaking.

[zamler]

I'm rarely at a loss for words.

[rubecube]

The Catholic Church is an abhorrent organization.

[Boreal]

How many more schools are crimes scenes?

It makes me sick to my stomach.

[Boreal]

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/02/legacy-trauma

Anyone with conscious gratitude who was raised in a healthy stable home understands that function teaches function, dysfunction teaches dysfunction, and trauma teaches trauma until problems can be diagnosed, understood, and treated to enable the healing and repair to end the viscious cycle.

Or maybe I’m just “woke” because I see complexity where others seek oversimplification. Residential schools obliterated First Nations culture, communities and families in ways beyond comprehension, evidenced by genocidal examples like this.

Each generation seemed to kind of learn from the previous one, with survivors telling children, ‘Don’t trust others, don’t trust the world,’” says Bezo. He is now conducting a larger quantitative study to compare intergenerational effects among Ukrainians who remained in the country after the Holodomor, those who emigrated and a group of Ukrainians unaffected by the event. The work is part of an emerging line of research and clinical work in psychology and related disciplines that is exploring whether and how mass cultural and historical traumas affect future generations. Bezo’s observations are compatible with those of researchers who are exploring the intergenerational effects of the Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge killings in Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide, the displacement of American Indians and the enslavement of African-Americans. The transgenerational effects are not only psychological, but familial, social, cultural, neurobiological and possibly even genetic as well, the researchers say.

“Massive traumas like these affect people and societies in multidimensional ways,” says Danieli, who is also the founder of the International Center for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Multigenerational Legacies of Trauma. “It behooves us to study this area as widely as possible, so we can learn from people’s suffering and how to prevent it for future generations.”

[Cheese]

I hope they are able to sue the Catholic church out of existence in Canada.

[Duruss]

Holy hell! A child mass grave in Canada of that scale is horrifying, I can't see how you can't call it a genocide.

[KTrain]

It's frustrating when you hear Canadians say that First Nations groups should "Get over the past. Move on. It happened so long ago" or "Why should we apologize for things that happened so long ago?"

This school was operated by the Catholic Church until 52 years ago. The federal government up to 43 years ago. That's kids who were the same age as our parents being taken from their families. That's one generation removed from most us. As Boreal mentions, this kind of trauma is intergenerational. If our parents lived with this kind of trauma, most of us wouldn't have any of the successes we enjoy. Some might be able to get out from under it but those would be few and far between.

[jayswin]

I remember about a decade ago when news of our treatment of our Indigenous population started coming out in a more public manner, I feared that we may one day find mass graves in Canada.

Looks like we have and will likely find more. And unfortunately, we will also likely never know about a lot more death and mistreatment.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Duruss

Holy hell! A child mass grave in Canada of that scale is horrifying, I can't see how you can't call it a genocide.

Not that it exonerates anyone for the lack of doing things correctly or anything but I do wonder...

Maybe a lot of the kids died during the Spanish flu outbreak in the early 20th century. there were no cures/vaccines for that at the time and i believe burying bodies was the common way to deal with them for fear of spread?

Or maybe one of the other epidemics? Typhoid/Cholera/smallpox.

I dunno...just trying to wrap my head around it all.

Still that doesn't mean that there should not be miles long paper trails explaining how/why they are there. The Catholic church really needs the media/government to hold their feet to the fire on this and get some real answers.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by KTrain

It's frustrating when you hear Canadians say that First Nations groups should "Get over the past. Move on. It happened so long ago" or "Why should we apologize for things that happened so long ago?"
.

Yes, my interactions with Canadians when speaking about Indigenous peoples ranges from casual racism at best to downright horrifying feelings at worst.

And that includes CP, this place is honestly not good in it's collective feelings towards these people. It really hurts to read and hear what Canadians think to the point where I don't bring it up myself and cringe when someone else does.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by KTrain

It's frustrating when you hear Canadians say that First Nations groups should "Get over the past. Move on. It happened so long ago" or "Why should we apologize for things that happened so long ago?"

This school was operated by the Catholic Church until 52 years ago. The federal government up to 43 years ago. That's kids who were the same age as our parents being taken from their families. That's one generation removed from most us. As Boreal mentions, this kind of trauma is intergenerational. If our parents lived with this kind of trauma, most of us wouldn't have any of the successes we enjoy. Some might be able to get out from under it but those would be few and far between.

The last residential school in Canada closed in the mid-1990's (1997 I think from memory). We aren't even close to this being a generation removed.

The memories are fresh and raw.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Still that doesn't mean that there should not be miles long paper trails explaining how/why they are there. The Catholic church really needs the media/government to hold their feet to the fire on this and get some real answers.

While I agree with you, if decades long systemic sexual assault of minors didn't get action............

It is a horrendous and only re-enforces my distain for Catholicism and Religion.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not that it exonerates anyone for the lack of doing things correctly or anything but I do wonder...

Maybe a lot of the kids died during the Spanish flu outbreak in the early 20th century. there were no cures/vaccines for that at the time and i believe burying bodies was the common way to deal with them for fear of spread?

Or maybe one of the other epidemics? Typhoid/Cholera/smallpox.

I dunno...just trying to wrap my head around it all.

Still that doesn't mean that there should not be miles long paper trails explaining how/why they are there. The Catholic church really needs the media/government to hold their feet to the fire on this and get some real answers.

You "might" be correct, but the church should not have just buried them without letting anyone know what they were doing, and who they were burying. Its a ludicrous excuse and one that likely is not the case.

[transplant99]

Thats what i said.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Thats what i said.

I ignored the first sentence.

[undercoverbrother]

If you want to take a look at how ####ing heinous these school were start with the Wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadi..._school_system

Experimentation
Both academic research and the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee relay evidence that students were included in several scientific research experiments without their knowledge, their consent or the consent of their parents.[30] These experiments include nutrition experiments,[46] vaccine trials for the BCG vaccine,[47] as well as studies on extrasensory perception, vitamin D diet supplements, amebicides, isoniazid, hemoglobin, bedwetting, and dermatoglyphics.[30]

That is some ####ing authoritarian regime level ####.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I ignored the first sentence.

Yeah well ignoring what people actually write in posts is its own epidemic on this forum so no worries.

But in all seriousness there has to be an explanation given, however heinous it may be.

[chedder]

Unbelievably awful. I know the government deserves its share of disgust and responsibility in all of this but the Catholic church really needs to be held to account.

Unfortunately, they are like teflon and don't seem to ever bare any repercussions. Between this and the thousands of other sexual abuse victims the entire organisation should be sued out of existence.