Off Season Trade rumours thread - Brodie, Frolik, Stone etc. Only

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lack of plan B is definitely troubling, but I think plan A (Kadri trade) was the right call all along, it's just a real shame it didn't work out. I am encouraged though that he seems to have identified the 2C position as that which needs the upgrade the most (as many of us have been saying since before last season began!)



Tyler Johnson is someone I am interested in still, but another NTC to complicate matters.

Turris I think is plan C, if we can get Nashville to take James Neal...



Otherwise I think the solution will be something none of us have even considered thoroughly (a la Lindy-Hanifin)

As time goes on without even a whiff of plan B (or C, or anything at all really), I’m starting to believe plan B might just be more buyouts.

[Textcritic]

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What makes you think that Treliving is without a backup plan? Training camp is still two months away.


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[Erick Estrada]

People need to realize Brad Treliving does not have mind control super powers to use on fellow GM's. It takes two to tango and Treliving probably has a plan B, C, D, etc but they all revolve around other teams being; a) interested in the player, b) having the salary cap space to take on the player, c) have the assets the Flames covet in return, etc. He probably talks daily with a lot of GM's trying to sort out the details as each side it trying to get the best deal possible on their end. It seems like some fans want a deal today for nothing other than instant gratification. I personally don't care if it takes until late August to get the very best deals possible for the Flames because at the end of the day nobody looking back will ever care about the date of the transaction, only the results of it.

[kukkudo]

Don't know what fans are expecting. The core failed this post season, Treliving isn't going to start trading the core or make panic moves. They were 1st in the regular season and he is giving them one more chance next season.

If they fail next year its going to be a busy summer 2020

[Split98]

I think the only time Tre not having (or going to) a plan B has bothered me was missing out on McE last year. I could be wrong in remembering our waiver position, but I remember it as passing on a reliable backup to give plan A more time. In hindsight, even if I'm remembering our waiver position properly it would have meant SFA in the end anyway.



Otherwise, I think we've seen Treliving adjust course many times in his tenure, and the team has progressively improved every facet of the team and depth since he arrived. There's so much more than what makes it to our ears going on and thus far his course has been pretty confidence inspiring if it's not as hasty as some would like.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Split98

I think the only time Tre not having (or going to) a plan B has bothered me was missing out on McE last year. I could be wrong in remembering our waiver position, but I remember it as passing on a reliable backup to give plan A more time. In hindsight, even if I'm remembering our waiver position properly it would have meant SFA in the end anyway.



Otherwise, I think we've seen Treliving adjust course many times in his tenure, and the team has progressively improved every facet of the team and depth since he arrived. There's so much more than what makes it to our ears going on and thus far his course has been pretty confidence inspiring if it's not as hasty as some would like.

I think Carolina had priority (1 or 2 spots) over Calgary last season

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Split98

I think the only time Tre not having (or going to) a plan B has bothered me was missing out on McE last year. I could be wrong in remembering our waiver position, but I remember it as passing on a reliable backup to give plan A more time. In hindsight, even if I'm remembering our waiver position properly it would have meant SFA in the end anyway.

Carolina had waiver priority over the Flames when he was waived.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Not really fair. Treliving clearly had a play to improve the roster but it got nixed by a player's NTC.

The lack of plan B so far is troubling, but given how dynamic the market is, with teams needs being updated on the fly in real time, not entirely his fault either.

Unfortunately, trying is one thing, but if he's left himself in a spot where the market for Brodie, Frolik no longer exists, and there are no real targets to bring in players to improve the team, then the roster is basically the same as last year (minus smith, Hathaway). I am not overly excited about that either, as I expect regression from guys that had career years, but at the same time, what kind of growth can we expect from Tkachuk, dube, Jankowski, valimaki, Andersson, and how much better is the goalie situation with Talbot vs smith.

It was not nixed by a player's NTC. If it was it was considerably more than Brodie at fully salary for Kadri as the actual trade was Colorado giving far more.

If it was all up to Trevling then he could have traded Neal for Kadri --- basically as much of a reasonable chance as Brodie for Kadri even up.

Maybe the Flames owe the Leafs a future favor by them saying Kadri used his NTC rather than saying the Flames way over value their players?

[sureLoss]

Wonder if the Pens and Bjugstad could be a fit. Can play RW or C. Right hand shot.

2 years left at $4.1 million AAV.

Pens can't be taking much salary back so probably need to get a 3rd team involved.

[Heavy Jack]

Frolik + pick for Bjugstad?

[Matata]

I think luck has favoured Tre and his trades the last few years, but this summer his luck has dried up. He did all he could for the Kadri trade, but lost out for reasons beyond his control. I don't fault him for it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

It was not nixed by a player's NTC. If it was it was considerably more than Brodie at fully salary for Kadri as the actual trade was Colorado giving far more.

If it was all up to Trevling then he could have traded Neal for Kadri --- basically as much of a reasonable chance as Brodie for Kadri even up.

Maybe the Flames owe the Leafs a future favor by them saying Kadri used his NTC rather than saying the Flames way over value their players?

This is deep down the rabbit hole kind of stuff here. It's like reading about the moon hoax or flat earth conspiracies, but with hockey players names and teams inserted for Wernher von Braun, NASA and the Antarctic Treaty.

Wow.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Frolik + pick for Bjugstad?

Why does Pittsburgh do this? Not saving any cap and get less years with the lesser player.

They would be more inclined to simply trade him for draft picks.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Team makes shockingly early playoff exit after strong season, with holes exposed against a similarly inexperienced younger team.

Treliving: Aside from a nixed trade, absolutely no reaction whatsoever, stays the course.

Let them grow through it, sure. But the team needs some tweaking too.

Not sure I'd say no reaction whatsoever given the Toronto Calgary deal that was nuked by a NTC.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

As time goes on without even a whiff of plan B (or C, or anything at all really), I’m starting to believe plan B might just be more buyouts.

Are you used to getting plan whiffs from Treliving?

I'm not.

The number of guys that assume a lack of news is a slam dunk for either not having a plan or being lazy is incredible to me.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you used to getting plan whiffs from Treliving?



I'm not.



The number of guys that assume a lack of news is a slam dunk for either not having a plan or being lazy is incredible to me.

Yeah, we know Tree is pretty much in on everything. Dude is at it all day. As an impatient fan, I’m just ready for that next stage of the summer. I want to move on from this period of off-season fandom of wondering what will happen and into the next phase of getting myself wildly excited for October because of what has happened.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I think that the depth that the Flames have on defense is significantly unproven and over-rated.

Removing the clear cut best RD from the mix, with whom the best player (who has his 36th Birthday in October) has played his best is a huge risk.

Hamonic is currently the only Flame D that is at all interested in playing a physical game.

As far as keeping Brodie this year.... Neal 3.88 and Stone 2.33 give 6M as buyouts this year ... more than Brodie's 4.6 in cap savings

Well the Flames flipped Brodie to the third pairing numerous times last season after games where he struggled. I'm not a Brodie basher but that suggests your "clear cut" monicker might be hastily laid.

Andersson coming on.
Team has depth
Brodie has a year left on his contract.

This is what NHL teams do to manage the salary cap.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you used to getting plan whiffs from Treliving?



I'm not.



The number of guys that assume a lack of news is a slam dunk for either not having a plan or being lazy is incredible to me.

We’ve at least typically had some idea of guys the Flames have inquired about or might be interested in. The only such news I’m aware of outside of Ferland is a broken down, aging Pat Maroon. And I’m also not seeing any obvious fit for Brodie and Frolik with the cap crunch many teams are facing. Buyouts for Frolik and/or Stone are looking more likely, or dumping Brodie for a couple of picks no team would miss. Cap space has to be created somehow.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

We’ve at least typically had some idea of guys the Flames have inquired about or might be interested in. The only such news I’m aware of outside of Ferland is a broken down, aging Pat Maroon. And I’m also not seeing any obvious fit for Brodie and Frolik with the cap crunch many teams are facing. Buyouts for Frolik and/or Stone are looking more likely, or dumping Brodie for a couple of picks no team would miss. Cap space has to be created somehow.

Sometimes we hear things sure ... but not from Treliving. Guessing the Kadri info was coming out of Toronto, same as the Zucker info from Minny.

He's certainly not one to lay out plans.

What we do know is he's a many irons in the fire guy and uses the word process to much.

I'm guessing he two or three processes running right now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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What makes you think that Treliving is without a backup plan? Training camp is still two months away.


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Originally Posted by kukkudo

Don't know what fans are expecting. The core failed this post season, Treliving isn't going to start trading the core or make panic moves. They were 1st in the regular season and he is giving them one more chance next season.

If they fail next year its going to be a busy summer 2020

I was not expecting something major, but it's clear that the Flames have an excess of defencemen and could use an upgrade at the #2 RW/C position. The Flames had defencemen that teams wanted, but they were unable to make any moves.

I am not optimistic at this point. It seems that most teams the Flames would have traded with have now jammed themselves up with their own cap issues. I do not see a backup plan anymore.

The whole situation is a little disheartening. I know the Flames killed in the regular season last season, but they need more offensive drive.