04-15-2021, 11:14 AM
|
#221
|
Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Calgary, AB
|
I don't take as a conditioning thing when Sutter talks about pace. It's more about making quick plays with and without the puck, sometimes thats a smart short pass, and sometimes its a long hard pass. The thing is to decide quick, and execute quick.
No question that requires more skating etc, but I get the feeling he's talking about 'mental' pace mostly. And its evident these last few games, they're playing with a lot more pace.
|
|
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to 8sPOT For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-15-2021, 11:35 AM
|
#222
|
First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Calgary
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8sPOT
I don't take as a conditioning thing when Sutter talks about pace. It's more about making quick plays with and without the puck, sometimes thats a smart short pass, and sometimes its a long hard pass. The thing is to decide quick, and execute quick.
No question that requires more skating etc, but I get the feeling he's talking about 'mental' pace mostly. And its evident these last few games, they're playing with a lot more pace.
|
They did seem to hold the puck way too long then seem surprised when they were checked or had their sticks lifted under Ward.
Part of it feels like Ward was coaching the guy to hold the puck for the perfect play. I think with Sutter it's the same but maybe the players feel like they have more agency to change the plan when things aren't working.
Sent from my SM-G975W using Tapatalk
|
|
|
04-15-2021, 11:41 AM
|
#223
|
First Line Centre
|
I don't think it was just Ward. This team has had a tendency to play on their heels, off and on, over the last few years.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to D as in David For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-15-2021, 12:13 PM
|
#224
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8sPOT
I don't take as a conditioning thing when Sutter talks about pace. It's more about making quick plays with and without the puck, sometimes thats a smart short pass, and sometimes its a long hard pass. The thing is to decide quick, and execute quick.
No question that requires more skating etc, but I get the feeling he's talking about 'mental' pace mostly. And its evident these last few games, they're playing with a lot more pace.
|
Yeah I think they are one in the same. Thats why there is the "practice at game pace" mantra too. Every team from peewee on up should have this mentality, but it requires effort all the time. And when you don't do it, you're not able to match the pace, particularly late in a game, and thats when slow mental mistakes happen.
Either way, would be cool to see them roar to the playoffs. Id rather see that then having them sloth into it after clinching like we've seen since 2006.
__________________
|
|
|
04-15-2021, 12:21 PM
|
#225
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by D as in David
I don't think it was just Ward. This team has had a tendency to play on their heels, off and on, over the last few years.
|
Basically this core has had the same pattern of rolling when the bounces go their way and rising to the occasion enough in the dog days of the season when all teams are going through the motions, only to wilt under adversity or when the intensity ramps up.
|
|
|
04-15-2021, 12:47 PM
|
#226
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by D as in David
I don't think it was just Ward. This team has had a tendency to play on their heels, off and on, over the last few years.
|
It’s not whether Ward was the cause.
He wasn’t the answer
|
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to DeluxeMoustache For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-15-2021, 12:48 PM
|
#227
|
#1 Goaltender
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
While these wins are fun, they're also the exact same wins that keep this team in the mediocrity they've been buried in for three decades.
I'll celebrate the wins when they come, but I really hope they don't get many more. If we were to pick a calling card for this team over this core's reign, it'd be that they like to tease us with hints that they could be good while never actually being good...so I guess I can't complain about them doing what they always do, but that math is not good and it's frustrating to see them play some of their best hockey of the year in what is an almost entirely meaningless stretch of games.
|
Why not? Is it because you want a good draft position? In a normal year how much volatility is there in the first round prospects from like January to April?
Not using Kylington as some kind of negative example because I really like him but look at these projections:
Quote:
Other Rankings:
THW War Room Rankings (January): 6
Future Considerations: 12
HockeyProspect.com (February): 13
Last Word On Sports (February): 7
Craig Button (March): 29
CS Final Rankings for International skaters (January): 1
|
https://thehockeywriters.com/oliver-...spect-profile/
Draft position be damned this year!
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Jeff Lebowski For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-15-2021, 01:06 PM
|
#228
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff
They did seem to hold the puck way too long then seem surprised when they were checked or had their sticks lifted under Ward.
Part of it feels like Ward was coaching the guy to hold the puck for the perfect play. I think with Sutter it's the same but maybe the players feel like they have more agency to change the plan when things aren't working.
Sent from my SM-G975W using Tapatalk
|
I dont think they are over it yet. They still are slow at making a transition pass in their own zone and even in getting to those pucks. A better team than Montreal would have made them pay. I think Sutter was getting at that.
|
|
|
04-15-2021, 02:00 PM
|
#229
|
Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashpoint
You don't get to be a Habs reporter by telling the truth.
See: Iginla Hart Trophy voting "loss".
Mtl reporting is a joke
|
This, I'm still pissed about it. That idiot, he didn't even put Iginla on his ballot. If he had, even on the tenth place, Iginla would've won it.
|
|
|
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to midniteowl For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-15-2021, 02:06 PM
|
#230
|
Franchise Player
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
It’s not whether Ward was the cause.
He wasn’t the answer
|
This is the definitive conclusion to the Ward discussion and is deserving of being the last word.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Strange Brew For This Useful Post:
|
|
04-15-2021, 02:23 PM
|
#231
|
Lifetime Suspension
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8sPOT
I don't take as a conditioning thing when Sutter talks about pace. It's more about making quick plays with and without the puck, sometimes thats a smart short pass, and sometimes its a long hard pass. The thing is to decide quick, and execute quick.
No question that requires more skating etc, but I get the feeling he's talking about 'mental' pace mostly. And its evident these last few games, they're playing with a lot more pace.
|
Agreed 100%.
Slow decision making is what plagued them much of the season. Not the game plan or plays they were meaning to execute, and that's the point Sutter was making. We were so often forced to play on the perimeter because the speed of execution was slower than the other teams ability to react/respond.
Thats what was meant by "style not system" I believe.
Seeing Gaudreau break in alone with a quick breakup and sprint up the ice, or Josh Leivo creating a loose puck in front of the crease and immediately flipping the puck upstairs to take advantage are the split second decisions we have been missing.
Hopefully Tkachuk is the next guy to bring some of that into his game. But he is shooting more which is a start.
Last edited by djsFlames; 04-15-2021 at 02:30 PM.
|
|
|
04-20-2021, 05:31 AM
|
#232
|
Franchise Player
|
__________________
Remember this, TSN stands for Toronto's Sports Network!
MOD EDIT: Removed broken image link.
Last edited by Tsawwassen; 04-20-2021 at 05:34 AM.
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:36 AM.
|
|