05-22-2015, 01:52 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Slightly right of left of center
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TFSAs vs RRSPs
I would like your input on which is better for investments.
My situation is a one income family in a high tax bracket. So with the spousal RRSP contribution overall I calculated that in the end RRSPs was the better choice for me. Now with this economy I'm no longer in a higher tax bracket so I'm more heavily onto TFSA saving RRSP contribution room for future years. So my question is at what point is the RRSP overall better than a TFSA?
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05-22-2015, 03:03 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Well this is the real conundrum facing savers these days. The other factor to consider is that with the RRSP you aren't eliminating taxes, just deferring them. With the TFSA you don't get the immediate tax savings, but then down the line you pay no tax when you complete the withdrawal. The tax sheltering of the growth is equal.
It's hard to say whether there is a specific point in terms of income where the TFSA is better as opposed to the RRSP. In a lot of ways it comes down to what the plan is for the money, and the time horizon of the investment. If it's short term, then the TFSA is the better way by far. Over the longer term it's murkier though. Theoretically you save more in taxes today and have that much more to compound, which gives you more money down the road. Then you pay tax on that withdrawal, so it depends on what you withdraw at that point as to whether the taxes even out or you actually come out ahead.
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of moving parts here and I can't give you a clear answer as a result. There have been a lot of articles written on this topic and I would expect many more will follow! If you want more specific information for your situation though feel free to PM me and I can try to give you that.
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01-27-2016, 05:03 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Slava,
RRSP question in regards to first time home buyers qualifications. My fiancé bought her condo before we met with her first time home buyers out of her RRSP. I moved in about a year after that. We now want to buy a home together at the beginning of next year; am I eligible to use my First Time Home Buyers withdrawal out of my RRSP or no?
Sorry if this isn't in the appropriate thread or not. Appreciate your advice on this, thanks in advance!
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01-27-2016, 05:05 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Edit: Double post
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01-27-2016, 05:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Well it all comes down to whether you're currently living in that house owned by your fiance. The rule says that if you live in a house owned by your spouse in the preceding four years then you're not a first time home buyer. You also might not currently qualify but still could in the future...its not as clear as just you buying your first property in that way.
I don't know if this helps or not, and this is posted from my phone, so hopefully it makes sense! If you want to give me more details though you can PM me or flip me an email.
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02-03-2016, 02:28 PM
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First Line Centre
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My rule of thumb is:
If you're poor like me, use TFSA!
If you make lotsa' hay, use RRSP!
Sorry it doesn't rhyme, but if you remember specifically that it doesn't rhyme its easy to remember.
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02-03-2016, 02:52 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckedoff
My rule of thumb is:
If you're poor like me, use TFSA!
If you make lotsa' hay, use RRSP!
Sorry it doesn't rhyme, but if you remember specifically that it doesn't rhyme its easy to remember.
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That's my rule of thumb, too. 'Cept that I use actual tax brackets to support it.
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12-24-2016, 02:51 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uzbekistan
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Don't forget that for U.S equities, you're better off with RRSP than TFSA.
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12-24-2016, 05:33 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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In a limited manner I would say that's true. It saves you some witholding tax, but it's not the end of the world to have that deducted if you get better returns overall.
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12-24-2016, 05:40 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Quick question for regarding US investments in TFSA.
If I purchase shares of a US company (e.g. Apple) in my TFSA, and I cash out, are the gains tax-free?
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12-24-2016, 05:46 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Yes, as long as you're a Canadian resident. Otherwise things get difficult.
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12-28-2016, 05:12 PM
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Franchise Player
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I traded an American equity once this year in my TFSA, but had never done that before. I think I get screwed by qtrade on the exchange when I trade American equities. In any case, I made a gain on the trade. Do I have to worry about this for taxes at all? Is there a form I have to fill out? Is this a better question for Locke?
Last edited by V; 12-28-2016 at 05:17 PM.
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12-28-2016, 09:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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It's a better question for Locke, because it's an accounting question and I am not an accountant. I really shouldn't answer questions on those types of things here because I don't have the proper accreditation.
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12-28-2016, 09:35 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by V
I traded an American equity once this year in my TFSA, but had never done that before. I think I get screwed by qtrade on the exchange when I trade American equities. In any case, I made a gain on the trade. Do I have to worry about this for taxes at all? Is there a form I have to fill out? Is this a better question for Locke?
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Wait a second, I glossed over the fact that this is in a TFSA, so you have nothing to worry about. What is happening is that the US is witholding tax on any dividend you receive, which is 15%. You don't have to do anything at all, and there is no tax for you in Canada or anything like that. Sorry for the oversight a minute ago, and just ignore the PM because it's not relevant to your situation.
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12-29-2016, 11:16 AM
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Franchise Player
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Oh, ha. I should have read this before the PM.
Thanks!
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12-11-2017, 09:23 AM
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First Line Centre
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I had a general RRSP question, figured this would be the best place to ask.
For the longest time, I had my RRSPs with RBC. This year made regular contributions to it monthly till Oct. Then in Nov I transferred them to wealthsimple and have made only a couple (Nov and Dec) contributions to it.
How many RRSP slips can I expect for the 2017 tax year? Is it:
- 1 RRSP from RBC for the amounts contributed till Oct (lets ignore the first 60 day rule for contributing to RRSPs). 1 RRSP slip from wealthsimple for the two amounts in Nov
and Dec?
- 1 RRSP from RBC for the amounts contributed till Oct. 1 RRSP from wealthsimple for the two amounts in Nov and Dec AND the transfer of funds from RBC to wealthsimple?
Thanks!
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12-11-2017, 09:30 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzle
I had a general RRSP question, figured this would be the best place to ask.
For the longest time, I had my RRSPs with RBC. This year made regular contributions to it monthly till Oct. Then in Nov I transferred them to wealthsimple and have made only a couple (Nov and Dec) contributions to it.
How many RRSP slips can I expect for the 2017 tax year? Is it:
- 1 RRSP from RBC for the amounts contributed till Oct (lets ignore the first 60 day rule for contributing to RRSPs). 1 RRSP slip from wealthsimple for the two amounts in Nov
and Dec?
- 1 RRSP from RBC for the amounts contributed till Oct. 1 RRSP from wealthsimple for the two amounts in Nov and Dec AND the transfer of funds from RBC to wealthsimple?
Thanks!
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You will get one from RBC for the contributions there and then one from Wealthsimple for the remainder of the year. The transfer is not a taxable event, so there is no slip produced for that. (You should of course expect statements/confirmations for that though!)
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