American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

I believe in science, that covid is deadly and that climate change is man made and real.
I believe in civil rights and equality for everyone.
I believe children shouldn’t be separated from their parents.
I beleive the answer to school shootings is gun control, not more guns in schools.
I believe that long term renewable energy is a good goal.
I think its important a person has autonomy over their own body.

I think everyone should be allowed to vote.

So I support Joe Biden and the Democrats.

I think most people believe and support most of these things. The fringe right doesn’t speak for all conservatives.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I think most people believe and support most of these things. The fringe right doesn’t speak for all conservatives.

The fringe right of 5 years ago is now driving the bus.

[the_only_turek_fan]

The main thing I really want to see is the Republican Party return to some form of human decency. We can debate policies until the cows come home but the GOP needs to return to being a party of adults and a party of gentlemen.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I think most people believe and support most of these things. The fringe right doesn’t speak for all conservatives.

Maybe that's true, but the fringe lunatic right has complete and total control over the Republican Party now. There is no voting option for "moderate conservatives" in the US anymore. If you're a right-leaning American, your choice is to either support the anti-democracy fascists and science-denying lunatics or to hold your nose and vote for the Democratic Party and hope that one day reason and sanity will return to conservative movement in the United States.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Just take it from me, a WHITE MALE, humble, salt of the earth, 80-year old multi-millionaire sportsman.

Fixed

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah definitely his skin colour and genitalia are the key factors here, not the fact that he's literally been paid off.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Maybe that's true, but the fringe lunatic right has complete and total control over the Republican Party now. There is no voting option for "moderate conservatives" in the US anymore. If you're a right-leaning American, your choice is to either support the anti-democracy fascists and science-denying lunatics or to hold your nose and vote for the Democratic Party and hope that one day reason and sanity will return to conservative movement in the United States.

That's the thing. And Trump HAS to go. I don't that point needs further discussion.

The problem is that removing Trump isn't going to fix anything. The lunatics are in control and are driving the bus. And while it is worst on the conservative right (by far), it is also true across the political spectrum that the quality of leadership continues to slide, the quality of discussion continues to deteriorate, and the quality of people in politics continues to fester.

It is difficult to be hopeful or optimistic about politics, going forward.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah definitely his skin colour and genitalia are the key factors here, not the fact that he's literally been paid off.

Just take it from me, a PAID OFF, WHITE MALE, humble, salt of the earth, 80-year old multi-millionaire sportsman.

[Enoch Root]

Post 8085 is a perfect example of how the discourse, on all sides, continues to deteriorate.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Maybe that's true, but the fringe lunatic right has complete and total control over the Republican Party now. There is no voting option for "moderate conservatives" in the US anymore. If you're a right-leaning American, your choice is to either support the anti-democracy fascists and science-denying lunatics or to hold your nose and vote for the Democratic Party and hope that one day reason and sanity will return to conservative movement in the United States.

Well let’s hope they get squashed on Tuesday.

I am hoping that the 2024 candidates include Sasse, Portman, Hogan, or maybe even Toomey although he is quitting.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's the thing. And Trump HAS to go. I don't that point needs further discussion.

The problem is that removing Trump isn't going to fix anything. The lunatics are in control and are driving the bus. And while it is worst on the conservative right (by far), it is also true across the political spectrum that the quality of leadership continues to slide, the quality of discussion continues to deteriorate, and the quality of people in politics continues to fester.

It is difficult to be hopeful or optimistic about politics, going forward.

It's not really true across the board though, and we've seen that in this cycle. The traditional, moderate democrat establishment still has control over the party. While there have been inroads made by both the social justice left in terms of getting those establishment democrats to pander to their values, and by the Bernie Sanders left in terms of having a small but vocal caucus and getting a lot of airtime and a decent chunk of primary support, neither of those fringe elements - whatever you might think of them - can be in any way said to be "driving the bus". At least, not yet.

I certainly agree that giving Trump the boot isn't some silver bullet that solves all problems of course. But if it's a big enough landslide it could cause some changes in the GOP, you'd think.

[Doctorfever]

I don’t follow American politics much at all, so came here for some information.
Can anyone point me to a non-biased source that outlines the basic platforms of the two parties? I can tell from reading a bit on here and from what is in the news that the candidates running are what they are. I don’t care about that, just can’t seem to find anything of value on the basic party platforms.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I don’t follow American politics much at all, so came here for some information.
Can anyone point me to a non-biased source that outlines the basic platforms of the two parties? I can tell from reading a bit on here and from what is in the news that the candidates running are what they are. I don’t care about that, just can’t seem to find anything of value on the basic party platforms.

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

vs.

https://www.promiseskept.com/

Recognize that the challenger is stating what they would do and the incumbent is talking a victory lap for things they claim they have already done (they have not achieved much of what has been stated). But it will give you an idea of the things important to each and the direction they would drive the country.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I don’t follow American politics much at all, so came here for some information.
Can anyone point me to a non-biased source that outlines the basic platforms of the two parties? I can tell from reading a bit on here and from what is in the news that the candidates running are what they are. I don’t care about that, just can’t seem to find anything of value on the basic party platforms.

If you find anything resembling a “platform” for Trump, please do let all of the rest of us know. I have not come across any such animal in my internet wanderings.

Biden has been slightly—but to be fair, only slightly—more detailed than Trump, but at least he has an inkling of what the issues are that will face the next administration. This isn’t a policy or platform election—I think it is literally about the preservation of democratic norms and a test of whether the American public is ready to punish and reject those who flout them. If they aren’t, it probably no longer matters which party is in power or what their “platform” is.

[Senator Clay Davis]

"Hackers" aka embezzled by Trump

https://twitter.com/user/status/1321809927942397954

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's the thing. And Trump HAS to go. I don't that point needs further discussion.

The problem is that removing Trump isn't going to fix anything. The lunatics are in control and are driving the bus. And while it is worst on the conservative right (by far), it is also true across the political spectrum that the quality of leadership continues to slide, the quality of discussion continues to deteriorate, and the quality of people in politics continues to fester.

It is difficult to be hopeful or optimistic about politics, going forward.

This is one of the reasons why the down ticket votes are as important as the presidential pick. Turning the senate blue is actually more important than taking the presidency if people were being honest and understood the mechanisms of governance. This is why the conservative donors are channeling money away from the races that look lost and toward senate races that are close. If Nate Silver is right we could see a Democrat in the White House, a 52/48 Democrat senate, and a 249/183/1 Democrat House of Representatives. That is a mandate for change, and then some.

What I like is the talk of how they will tackle some of the issues facing the nation. Judicial review by a bi-partisan third party and changes based on their findings as an important example. Say what you will about Washington, but when it comes to governance and executing the will of the majority only one party consistently follows that standard. Yes, the Democrats follow the weathervane of public opinion, but isn't that what you hope for out of your representatives, to actually do what the majority are demanding?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by New Era

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

vs.

https://www.promiseskept.com/

Recognize that the challenger is stating what they would do and the incumbent is talking a victory lap for things they claim they have already done (they have not achieved much of what has been stated). But it will give you an idea of the things important to each and the direction they would drive the country.

Thanks (I think, lol).
Lots of information there...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Thanks (I think, lol).
Lots of information there...

You're welcome. And yes, there is lots of information that you need to understand to come to grips with American politics. Those are just the issues. Now you have to understand how the American political system works. There machinations of the governance system in the United States is grossly different from that in Canada and very labyrinthine. It can be tiring but also very engrossing at the same time. It is a rabbit hole many are wary of going down.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Biden actually has a plan on how to handle the coronavirus crisis. That alone is enough for me to vote for him.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Biden actually has a plan on how to handle the coronavirus crisis. That alone is enough for me to vote for him.

Not actively working to make it worse is good enough for me.