[News] TSN naming all-time Team Canada

[AC]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That's impressive but according to Wikipedia Heater's 42 goals and 69 points for team Canada are records.

Even 42 goals and 69 points seems wrong.

From further down on his Wikipedia article:

		GP	G	A	Pts
Junior totals	14	5	4	9
Senior totals	71	44	30	74

Not sure what accounts for the discrepancy.

[flamingred89]

No love for Ed Belfour? He wore the heck out of those slacks and Jersey combos at the 2002 Olympics.

[Dion]

No love for Gordie Howe?

[GirlySports]

World juniors too. Iginla had a great tournament in Boston when we traded for him.

[transplant99]

Stumbled across this in regards to International scoring..

As far as all competition

1. Wayne Gretzky (4 x Canada Cup, World Cup, Olympics, World Champioship) 55 GP 26+56=82
2. Dany Heatley (6 x World Championships, 2 x Olympics, World Cup) 71 GP 44+30=74
3. Rick Nash (4 x World Championships, 3 x Olympics) 53 GP 25+26=51
4. Steve Yzerman (3 x World Championships, 2 x Olympics, World Cup, Canada Cup) 50 GP 22+27=49
5. Sidney Crosby (2 x Olympics, 2 x World Championships, World Cup) 37 GP 20+27=47
6. Jackie McLeod (4 x World Championships) 28 GP 24+21=45
6. Eric Lindros (3 x Olympics, World Cup, Canada Cup, World Championship) 44 GP 25+20=45
8. Marcel Dionne (4 x World Championships, 2 x Canada Cup) 50 GP 26+17=43
9. Joe Sakic (3 x Olympics, 2 x World Cup, 2 x World Championships) 48 GP 22+19=41
10. Mario Lemieux (Olympics, World Cup, Canada Cup, World Championship) 29 GP 18+21=39
10. Paul Kariya (2 x Olympics, 3 x World Championships) 38 GP 17+22=39
10. Jordan Eberle (6 x World Championships) 47 GP 16+23=39
10. Matt Duchene (5 x World Championships, Olympics, World Cup) 62 GP 20+19=39
10. Ryan O'Reilly (6 x World Championships, World Cup) 61 GP 17+22=39

Here's the top-10 while focusing only on best-on-best tournaments (Summit Series '72, '74; Canada Cup '76, '81, '84, '87, '91; World Cup '96, '04, '16; Olympics '98, '02, '06, '10, '14):

1. Wayne Gretzky (4 x Canada Cup, World Cup, Olympics) 45 GP 20+48=68
2. Paul Coffey (3 x Canada Cup, World Cup) 33 GP 6+25=31
3. Mario Lemieux (Canada Cup, World Cup, Olympics) 20 GP 14+15=29
4. Mark Messier (3 x Canada Cup, World Cup) 32 GP 6+20=26
5. Joe Sakic (3 x Olympics, 2 x World Cup) 30 GP 12+11=23
6. Mike Bossy (2 x Canada Cup) 15 GP 13+ 7=20
6. Phil Esposito (Summit Series, Canada Cup) 15 GP 11+ 9=20
6. Sidney Crosby (2 x Olympics, World Cup) 19 GP 8+12=20
6. Ray Bourque (3 x Canada Cup, Olympics) 30 GP 4+16=20
10.Gilbert Perreault (Summit Series, 2 x Canada Cup) 13 GP 8+11=19

[looooob]

ok, glad to see my Perreault suggestion on page 1 wasn't completely out of left field, in fact the only one of the top 10 best on best scorers to not make the team, and in PPG behind only Gretzky


his game matched up well against the Soviets, the Sabres also had some big games in the exhibition games against them too as I recall

[Bingo]

How did Ryan Smyth play in what? 350 World Championship games not end up in either of those scoring lists? With the out cry from Edmonton I thought for sure he would show up!

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How did Ryan Smyth play in what? 350 World Championship games not end up in either of those scoring lists? With the out cry from Edmonton I thought for sure he would show up!

According to hockeydb, he played in four World Championships. He played 34 games and had 22 points. This includes all the points against Germany, Austria and France.

Ryan Smyth isn't on the list because he is no good.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Wood

Prices performance in 2014 still blows my mind. The team struggled to score and he singlehandedly carried Canada to a Gold medal

0.60 GAA, 0.972 SV%. Only allowed 3 goals in 5 games

Originally Posted by timun

I don't think it was "struggling to score" as much as Team Canada played a defensive game that was more about snuffing out the other team's chances than taking risks of their own. Absolutely dominant hockey, no question, but horrendously boring to watch. That gold medal game against Sweden was one of the most boring games I can recall ever witnessing.

Yeah, as low scoring as the 2014 iteration was, I don't think they were ever in any position to really lose. They played with so much control it's like they pre-determined the scores they wanted and played to them.









As for the list, Toews seems like an omission to me. I guess I don't have any personal recollection of anything before the 95 World Cup, but I'd say Toews would be there over Yzerman, who wasn't a key part of any of that era of Team Canada's. The Nash-Toews-Richards line was pivotal in 2010 as the shutdown line (the goal where Toews stripped the puck from Malkin and Nash eventually scored on the counter was to me, the goal of the tournament outside of the Golden Goal), he scored in the gold medal games in 2010 and 2014, and along with the likes of Iginla and Niedermayer (and a few others) has the impressive Team Canada collection of World Junior, World Championship, World Cup and Olympic gold medals.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

As for the list, Toews seems like an omission to me. I guess I don't have any personal recollection of anything before the 95 World Cup, but I'd say Toews would be there over Yzerman, who wasn't a key part of any of that era of Team Canada's. .

he's listed as the foundational player- now its hard to know if that is the best or worst position, but still he's there (as Lanny was to the Flames and Jacques Plante was to the Habs)

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by looooob

he's listed as the foundational player- now its hard to know if that is the best or worst position, but still he's there (as Lanny was to the Flames and Jacques Plante was to the Habs)

Missed that. I won’t blame myself, I’ll blame the foundational player being a stupid idea in the first place rather than me not reading.

2 goalies, 6 defenseman and 12 forwards then sure, pick a foundational player. But 3-7-13 AND another player? Come on!

[Brick]

Glad to see Iggy getting some respect.

[transplant99]

For anyone interested...Seth's wife (my aunt) sent this to me yesterday.

I hadn't seen it before, though i think i had read part of the attached article.



https://thehockeynews.com/news/artic...ks-hockey-hero

[zukes]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Stumbled across this in regards to International scoring..

This doesn't seem to include the World Juniors

[SuperMatt18]

I'd replace Heatley with Bergeron.

Bergeron has been great on Crosby's wing at international tournaments.

[gt4flames]

Heatley deserves to be there.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Iggy 100% should be there he was massive in the two gold medal games...still you never know with these things (top 100 players ffs)

Yeah, I’m actually surprised that they included him. I know it’s different criteria and some players could never have qualified because of era but it essentially means he’s a top 25 Canadian but not a top 100 NHLer. That’s unpossible.