Star Trek Discovery

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I guess it depends on what they do with it. If it's "hey look where we are, this is crazy, oh no we're all captured, now we escaped and figured out a way home" for 2 episodes, that's different than "Voyager - Mirror Universe"

[craigwd]

Don't want to be that guy but today's solid Orville episode really reminded me why I'm only mildly enthused about STD while absolutely loving The Orville.

I care and root for each one of the characters on the Orville. I want to know more about their stories and love how they all get along and work together as a team.

On Discovery we're basically seeing the B-team as none of the main characters besides Lorca are the senior staff. They all seem to dislike each other and it's hard to cheer for any of them.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Ok, this really drove me nuts. "Ok Berman, I'm not letting you go on the away mission, but Tyler, you were tortured by the Klingons for 7 months, and haven't had any psychological counseling of a vacation, off you go" Lorca logic.

Given Lorca resumed command by hiding his own PTSD, this is actually logically consistent.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by craigwd

Don't want to be that guy but today's solid Orville episode really reminded me why I'm only mildly enthused about STD while absolutely loving The Orville.

I care and root for each one of the characters on the Orville. I want to know more about their stories and love how they all get along and work together as a team.

On Discovery we're basically seeing the B-team as none of the main characters besides Lorca are the senior staff. They all seem to dislike each other and it's hard to cheer for any of them.

Saru is first officer, Tyler is security chief. Stamets is chief engineer of the Spore drive. The only B-team main character is Tilly and it's kind of refreshing to have a newbie ensign be part of the main cast (that isn't inexplicably granted a bridge position like Wesley Crusher or Harry Kim).

I'm already getting tired of Orville's constant forced humor and lack of overarching story.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Saru is first officer, Tyler is security chief. Stamets is chief engineer of the Spore drive. The only B-team main character is Tilly and it's kind of refreshing to have a newbie ensign be part of the main cast (that isn't inexplicably granted a bridge position like Wesley Crusher or Harry Kim).

I'm already getting tired of Orville's constant forced humor and lack of overarching story.

My mistake and Saru and Tyler. Granted Saru is the First Officer (why I have no idea because he's an awful manager).

But has Stamets ever been described as anything beyond the designer and head of the spore drive? Culber is not the chief medical officer, Tilly (who I do like) is only a cadet that seems work on the drive.

[Kjesse]

I skimmed through the episodes last night, just looking at Lorca's scenes.

His character arc was clearly intended to make him unlikable at the start, then by the last couple of episodes he becomes somewhat sympathetic.

The series' actors have improved throughout the episodes. Saru in particular was also very dislikable at first but as you come to understand him the character grows on you.

Burnham might be the character who holds this series back, she's the focus but hasn't been that great to watch.

[zamler]

I'm trying to stick with this show but I have the same problem, I simply don't give a damn about any of the characters.

[OutOfTheCube]

I've read the book 'Desperate Hours' too (which for the first time is considered canon-ish) and it gives a lot more depth to Saru and Burnham (and her relationship with Spock) in particular. I don't expect everyone will read the novels too of course, but it has really helped to enhance the show.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Just finished watching the series up to the mid-season finale. While I was ready to write it off after the first couple of episodes, I think it vastly improved as it went along and the finale was excellent. Lorca is now one of my favorite Trek captains right alongside Sisko, he has a lot of depth and a darker side to him that we haven't seen since In The Pale Moonlight. I also enjoyed the fact that the show isn't centered around the primary officers, and the main characters were added organically. It gives a sense of uncertainty when you're not sure who will live or die, rather than all the other Treks where it was "Here's your bridge crew, none of them will ever die except for maybe the one poor actor that no one will care about"

As for the finale I think it's positive that Tyler is Voq after that last bit. I wonder if they'll try going down the route of having thousands or millions of Klingons altered to look human as part of a gurilla war now that their cloaking tech won't work. Would be a nice little explanation and homage for TOS

[Kjesse]

This resumes tonight! Its going to be a great episode methinks.

Some information has leaked already and you can put a few things together, it looks to wind up a few loose ends and Frakes has provided another spoiler that you can google and find if you don't want to wait.

[Kjesse]

That was... amazing.

[OutOfTheCube]

Yep I don’t know how any Trek fan could dislike the series at this point. Awesome.

My friend at work called...

Spoiler!

Tilly being captain in the mirror universe. Because there was an earlier part where Stamets stumbled out of the spore chamber and saw her and said something like “what are you doing down here captain?” Good call. I think the emperor in the Terran empire is going to be Georgiou. And it’s obvious that Ash is definitely Voq, now to see why they do with that.

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Oh my.

[SportsJunky]

Indeed. I’m not sure what to think at the moment.

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Doesn't look like it's going to be a couple of episodes in the Mirror Universe and then back to normal.

[Byrns]

Great episode, I didn’t realize Frakes directed it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Actually I'm suprised at how good this episode was, and it was really good

Spoiler!

They're in the rebel universe and its apparent that the Vulcan, Andorian Rebellion wasn't ended by Empress Hoshi and they've now allied with the Klingons.

The link is the defiant which made an appearance in the Enterprise Mirror Universe, but if I remember correctly the Defiant was pulled backwards in time and through the use of tri-cobalt devices on a singularity to create a worm hole.

They mentioned that Lorca was a rebel that rebelled against the Emperor and vanished, so it might make sense that the original Lorca died with his ship and this Lorca is the rebel that found his way over to the classic universe to gain a weapon (discovery) that he can use to over throw the emperor.

They carried out the other story line with Tayler clearly being Voq which was the worst kept secret ever, but something went wrong when he was re-activated. However he did murder Stamets' boyfriend but either doesn't know or knows that he's a Klingon.

So who's the Emperor? Common sense says that its Georgiou which could be a bit fun. and it makes sense as this series takes place 90 years after Enterpise so Sato is extremely dead.

All we know is that the Emperor is brutal and his or her identity is a secret, they also strangely didn't say Empress, so I wonder if the Emperor is male.

Tilley did a great job of transforming into Captain Killey.

Oh and Stamets' is on the path to becoming a god who knows and see's everything in every universe and every path.

[CaptainCrunch]

Frakes has become a pretty good television director, but its still hard to forgive him for that abortion Insurrection.

[Byrns]

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[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah I see your point Bryns, but I'd like to point out that

!! .-.- kitten face.