Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

As a public system we should have a minimum level of care the state provides for people at no additional cost than taxation. We should be having a robust debate on where that point is. 10 hrs for non-life threatening urgent care after hours is a reasonable standard for government to provide.

And as you reply you should have considered what length of time you would like to wait and the level of taxation required to support your requirements in all areas of the health system.

Happy to pay more taxes to fix this. First we need willing government.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Happy to pay more taxes to fix this. First we need willing government.

So where is your line on health care spending? What is your acceptable wait time?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Doesn't it depend on what you're waiting for? I mean, it's an ER. If you go to the ER with something that isn't technically an emergency, that isn't going to get appreciably worse in 10 hours, that's very different than "actively bleeding from the neck".

[Knut]

The issue is that things are getting funneled to ER because people dont have GPs or they can not get into their GP's office. Only choice is ER.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Knut

The issue is that things are getting funneled to ER because people dont have GPs or they can not get into their GP's office. Only choice is ER.

You forgot walk in clinics.

I'm not saying they are better and most are just as jammed up as ERs sadly.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

So where is your line on health care spending? What is your acceptable wait time?

I'm not sure what the line is, I don't run the system. I think acceptable is getting through the waiting room in under 2 hours to see a doctor, or at least a nurse to start a workup for most issues. The problem with the ER isn't that the ER is not staffed well enough, it's just a result of the failure of all the other pieces of the system. Fix that, and the ER issues start to go away on their own.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Doesn't it depend on what you're waiting for? I mean, it's an ER. If you go to the ER with something that isn't technically an emergency, that isn't going to get appreciably worse in 10 hours, that's very different than "actively bleeding from the neck".

People appeared to object to my didn’t die standard but for the purposes of my question is non life threatening and perhaps painful.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm not sure what the line is, I don't run the system. I think acceptable is getting through the waiting room in under 2 hours to see a doctor, or at least a nurse to start a workup for most issues. The problem with the ER isn't that the ER is not staffed well enough, it's just a result of the failure of all the other pieces of the system. Fix that, and the ER issues start to go away on their own.

ER staffing is an issue too. I know an ER nurse who was the only Nurse on staff for 13 beds at the Children's hospital. There is supposed to be 6.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GGG

People appeared to object to my didn’t die standard but for the purposes of my question is non life threatening and perhaps painful.

I don’t think people objected to your standard, people objected to your suggestion that the system works as well as it can for the money and that funnelling non-emergencies to the emergency room to wait 10 hours is the best way for the system to work.

That’s obviously absurd. You know that.

[Faust]

Polling Canada @CanadianPolling

Alberta Q3 Fundraising:

NDP: $1,435,563
UCP: $974,640
Pro-Life: $51,126
ABP: $25,358
ALP: $18,014
GPA: $2,073
WR: $227

https://twitter.com/canadianpolling/...538641921?s=21

[Roughneck]

Alberta Party is really hanging in there.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think people objected to your standard, people objected to your suggestion that the system works as well as it can for the money and that funnelling non-emergencies to the emergency room to wait 10 hours is the best way for the system to work.

That’s obviously absurd. You know that.

I at no point suggested that. I suggested that a 10 hour standard of care was reasonable and if you don’t die in an emergency room your visit was successful.

That you want to extrapolate my comments further is on you.

[you&me]

I may have missed it, but I can't help but think the new pay plan for BC doctors could be the last straw for many aggrieved Alberta doctors.

The provincial government says a full-time family doctor will be paid about $385,000 a year, up from the current $250,000, under the new three-year Physician Master Agreement reached with Doctors of B.C. last week.

CBC Link

One province being openly hostile towards doctors while the one next door is showering them with money can't end well for the first.

[Fuzz]

It gets it a lot closer to AB, but AB still has a cost of living advantage. Not sure about tax rates.

Alberta had the highest compensation rates for full-time family doctors, at an average of $393,248 a year.

https://theprovince.com/news/new-dea...paid-in-canada

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by you&me

I may have missed it, but I can't help but think the new pay plan for BC doctors could be the last straw for many aggrieved Alberta doctors.



CBC Link

One province being openly hostile towards doctors while the one next door is showering them with money can't end well for the first.

“ Alberta had the highest compensation rates for full-time family doctors, at an average of $393,248 a year.”

https://vancouversun.com/news/new-de...483a60f40/amp/

Enjoy those BC property prices.

[Flames0910]

Looks like a few more councillors have some explaining to do — though I’m sure Chu isn’t worried because Calgary Police will just sweep the investigation under the rug.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1587598781247356928

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by GGG

So where is your line on health care spending? What is your acceptable wait time?

3 hours maximum. That’s what I want and I will pay for that happily.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by you&me

I may have missed it, but I can't help but think the new pay plan for BC doctors could be the last straw for many aggrieved Alberta doctors.



CBC Link

One province being openly hostile towards doctors while the one next door is showering them with money can't end well for the first.

It also ends fee for service which could be a good thing for level of care.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Looks like a few more councillors have some explaining to do — though I’m sure Chu isn’t worried because Calgary Police will just sweep the investigation under the rug.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1587598781247356928

Looks like they went hook and line for the honey pot.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by surferguy

3 hours maximum. That’s what I want and I will pay for that happily.

Regardless of cost? We have no idea what kind of resources this would take. But I would think it would not be simple to do even if you threw all kinds of cash at it.