They've been very specific in terms of objects swapping in the mirror verse.
When the Discovery came to the mirror verse, the mirror discovery flipped to the Prime Verse.
When Lorca flipped they indicated that his counterpart flipped.
So since the interaction between the universes is so new.
What are the laws and consequences at play here.
When the Discovery came back to the Prime Universe, the mirror discovery didn't flip back because it was destroyed. So not only have you increased the mass in the Prime Universe, but you have basically two ships?/Materials of the identical molecules, not the same, but identical resonating with different frequencies.
I know they won't cover it in the show, and I don't know and looking it up gives me a blinding headache, but what are the rules in terms of increasing mass in a Universe?
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They've been very specific in terms of objects swapping in the mirror verse.
When the Discovery came to the mirror verse, the mirror discovery flipped to the Prime Verse.
When Lorca flipped they indicated that his counterpart flipped.
So since the interaction between the universes is so new.
What are the laws and consequences at play here.
When the Discovery came back to the Prime Universe, the mirror discovery didn't flip back because it was destroyed. So not only have you increased the mass in the Prime Universe, but you have basically two ships?/Materials of the identical molecules, not the same, but identical resonating with different frequencies.
I know they won't cover it in the show, and I don't know and looking it up gives me a blinding headache, but what are the rules in terms of increasing mass in a Universe?
Short guess with not much theory for back it up beyond it... they would have also had to add the same amount of anti-matter to the universe when the new matter was added.
1. The two minute build up of "Can't wait to see Starbase 1 again, it's been so long since we've been here, yay we're almost there, hey you can't hail them? That's okay, can't wait to see all my friends. View screen on? Not yet? Okay when you're ready.....oh no it's been attacked!" No sh*t, nice needless build up.
2. Burnham - I think I brought evil Georgiou here because I didn't save her in our universe
Saru - Ya think? Did you really have to voice that thought twice in the episode?
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And while Cornwall is throwing around promotions, why not give Burnham a field commission or just stop freaking calling her "Specialist". Does Starfleet not refer to staff as Mr. _____________ any more?
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I did like the references to Jonathan Archer though. Nice touch to honour a real Star Trek series.
They've been very specific in terms of objects swapping in the mirror verse.
When the Discovery came to the mirror verse, the mirror discovery flipped to the Prime Verse.
When Lorca flipped they indicated that his counterpart flipped.
So since the interaction between the universes is so new.
What are the laws and consequences at play here.
When the Discovery came back to the Prime Universe, the mirror discovery didn't flip back because it was destroyed. So not only have you increased the mass in the Prime Universe, but you have basically two ships?/Materials of the identical molecules, not the same, but identical resonating with different frequencies.
I know they won't cover it in the show, and I don't know and looking it up gives me a blinding headache, but what are the rules in terms of increasing mass in a Universe?
Ah the rules of Entropy.
I thought the people and ships only flipped because coincidentally they were both doing something similar in the same region of space.
That's why Kirk's crew flipped, they were both beaming.
Smiley, the Intendant, Sisko et all didn't flip with their counterparts because there weren't in the same area doing the same stuff (or they were you know...dead).
Nope. There was a Romulan Earth war prior to the events of Enterprise. They even talked about it in Balance of Terror in TOS. However there weren't view screens of video communications so the Terrans didn't know what the Romulans looked like until that episode, however the Vulcan's knew that they were a long lost off shoot of the Vulcan's who left when the Vulcan's became all logic driven instead of being violent and war like.
So in Balance of Terror when they patched into the bird of prey and saw what looked like Vulcans in command a lot of the crew looked at Spock with a lot of distrust.
Quick correction - the Romulan War was slightly after Enterprise, before the creation of the Federation.
And a word to the wise, skip that awful series of books.
I kind of stopped reading Trek books years ago, I think the last series that I read was that one written by Shatner, where he comes back to life and they have a whole mirror universe thing with the TNG crew.
I actually like Shatner's writing style, but that series just blew my brain fuses in the wrong way.
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I kind of stopped reading Trek books years ago, I think the last series that I read was that one written by Shatner, where he comes back to life and they have a whole mirror universe thing with the TNG crew.
I actually like Shatner's writing style, but that series just blew my brain fuses in the wrong way.
Ah, the Shatnerverse. That series was 20 years ago, lol. It's also not accepted as part of the regular novel canon.
I actually liked his portrayal of the Post Empire Mirrorverse.
Lets see, The Empire rose after the Eugenics war because iirc the war was so brutal that after Kahn Earth Survivors stated that they would never be in a position to be wiped out again.
Kirk rose to Emperor, and was brutal, he had a picture in his hovel of Scotty, McCoy and Checkov hanging from the gallows.
Kirk was deposed by Spock who liberalized the Empire.
Meanwhile Kirk created a alliance of Klingons, Cardassians, Romulans and Bajorans who basically destroyed the Empire, Then they betrayed Kirk, enslaved Humanity and reduced Earth to a pretty much Cinder.
So you flash forward and you get evil Kirk. a Cowardly ponytailed slimy Jean Luc-Picard, Riker is a complete thug.
It was actually a decent series of books, but you could see Shatner's ego swell as he wrote scenes that had two Kirks in them.
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The finale was a treat. New trek adopts TOS style elements and storytelling to wrap up the first season arc.
Liberties (shortcuts) were taken of course. Regardless, a satisfying conclusion, you can fill in the off-screen and background action more easily here. And just a tiny cliffhanger to engage for the next season.
All of the actors kicked it up a notch this episode. Even Burnham/Tyler worked. Tilley is a great character. "First off, I'm very high." (Remember Scotty getting smashed?)
Georgiou... much more fun as a mirror universe personality! Maybe a little soft at the end but she had no choice, her own ends matter more than what her mission was.
And I can't wait to see who has been cast as a newly introduced character for next season.
I don't know, I'm not really surprised that the finale was a boring episode with the same baffling illogic bombs that have plagued the writing of this episode.
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It was almost like the writers wanted to end every single storyline and clear the board for next season, and because of that the Klingon war was wrapped up with a whimper instead of a bang.
Basically in the end, all that was accomplished was a teaser towards next year that was almost a cry of "Sorry about this year, here's some cool original series stuff, if you tune in next year, we'll maybe do it better, because we cleared the slate.
I don't think it was a bad episode by any stretch, but I will say that it wasn't a good episode let alone a season finale.
I mean, they had Burnham doing a voice over, and it was almost like the writers were leaning over her shoulder and waggling their eye brows at us while pointing at her as if to say "This is what were trying to get at all along, that as bad as things are we are Star Fleet and we shouldn't compromise our morality".
Here's the problem with this series structurally, they tried to jam so many plots into this season that they couldn't spend enough time building one up over the other. The overlying plot point should have been the Klingon War, but there was no weight to it. I mean they tell us its bad, but we never saw it as bad. DS9 did an incredible job of portraying War as a predator, and we could actually believe that the Federation was going to lose to the Dominion. Instead in Discovery we didn't get to see whole sale slaughters by the Klingons, nor ships exploding and planets being bombarded, so there was absolutely no feeling of jeopardy.
Even the logic of getting rid of Tyler didn't hold much weight because he was such a light weight character. I have to leave, because I'm not human and not klingon so bye. In the end even the logic of blackmailing the Klingons with a super bomb in the middle of the planet, just seemed like a rush ending to the Klingon storyline.
Again, I think that the Writers and producers maybe realizing that this just wasn't a great story telling experience were so desperate to wrap everything up and get rid of anything that might have offended viewers had to rush to what is an unsatisfying ending to everything in season one.
I outright had the laugh of the show, when Michael dared Georgiou to kill her and watch her die again. That's not much of a threat, when only a few episodes ago, Georgiou sentenced her to death and then wanted to do the killing herself, its almost like the writing room and someone stated that they forgot the notes from prior episodes.
I mean even the departure or freedom of Georgiou was so half assedly done that it felt like the directors looked at their watches and said "Ok guys we have two minutes to soften her up and push her out the door". Of course they could be holding her as a villain in years to come. Or it could be that they couldn't figure out a satisfactory way to get rid of the Emperor of the Terran Universe.
I also found the whole Klingon home world to be really unsatisfactory, and I get that this is the Orion sector. But again it was just such a random world where they had to have the over sexed Emperor knocking boots and being praised for her prowness while Tilly gets high. It really did nothing character wise, it was completely random and a bit silly. Its again, almost like Jonathon Frakes was shouting "We need some butts and side boobs"
Basically my complaint here is that they took 2 seasons worth of story lines, jammed it into 1 season, then realized how badly done it was, wrapped it up in 40 minutes, made Burnham explain it verbally and said, look the Enterprise. Then to really add to it, they basically said "Remember when you threw a mutiny, caused the death of your Captain, and started a war that caused the death of millions (I guess, because we don't know at all), well don't worry about that, your now a commander thanks for promoting another mutiny".
Sorry I had to sit down because I got dizzy.
From a effects standpoint, the final 5 minutes was gorgeous, it was almost a labor of love showing the discovery and the over the shoulder shot of the bridge, and even the Enterprise looked good.
But other then that, it wasn't exciting, particularly well written and it failed because they never established a solid basis for the first series.
I think this series needs a strong reboot.
Random thoughts.
So does Tyler have lots of that nasty Klingon sex that causes the Klingons to morph into the ones that we see later in the Prime Universe?
So clearly the spore drive is going to continue to be a thing next year. The one loose end that they didn't tie up.
I did chuckle at Tilly's interactions with Georgiou "Oh we had so much fun slaughtering everyone Killy" was actually kind of charming.
Clint Howard sighting, and the only reason I can think of it so they can say he's been in every star trek series.
First time I've done an episode grade
I wasn't inspired by it and you can see my reasoning above 5/10
Pluses
Effects
Some nice personal moments especially with Tilly
Cons
See above
Season Mark 3/10 - Badly written and overly compressed, this series logic bombed all over itself, and it was almost like the writers were clueless about what they had written. The finale was basically an apology, here's some cool stuff at the end, forget about year one, and we promise we'll do better. On the plus side, the effects were actually fairly decent throughout. There was some nice character growth in terms of Saru and Tilly.
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I enjoyed the whole series. I get that they were doing something new instead of one-off episodes like Treks of yore so that might have been a challenge for the writers to keep something going over all of those episodes.
I thought it all made logical sense, the Klingons want a war because they think it will unify them, they take it to the Federation and starts destroying them; Discovery “accidentally” jumps to another dimension and finds people who know how to deal with the Klingons; jump back to normal universe and deal with he Klingon threat.
I think maybe it’s being judged a bit harshly. The faults for me weren’t so bad that it was distracting.
Well, it took me 3 or 4 episodes to warm up to this show, as well as the characters. But overall I quite enjoyed this season as whole.
I thought the finale tonight was pretty solid, and the old-school throwbacks were a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to season 2.
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Anyone else notice the little worm creatures from Wrath of Khan in the frying pan on Qo’nos?
Pretty cool to see the Enterprise at the end. Is it just me, or did it look more like the re-fitted Enterprise from the original film series (1701-A)? Considering the time period, shouldn't it look more like the the version from TOS? Anyway, just something geeky that I noticed.
So does this mean we'll see a younger version of Spock in season 2, since he served aboard the Enterprise with Captain Pike? Makes me wonder who would play him. Would they bring in Zachary Quinto for a couple of episodes, or would he be played by a slightly younger actor? It'll be interesting to see how they do this.
That was bad. Just so predictable and poorly written. The only positives are that Tilly was fun and they managed to do an okay job wrapping up the season.
Overall I feel a little annoyed I was told I was getting a Star Trek show and instead got a prequel of a Star Trek show. At least this means the slate is clean and hopefully Season 2 will improve.
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The last two eps were pretty weak, felt contrived, and rushed.
The show had its ups and downs, but overall it was a great first season. A lot of shows take some time to find their legs, but I think Discovery started to find theirs rather quickly. If you look [waaay] back to other Star Treks, earlier seasons are barely watchable (TNG seasons 1-3, DS9 1-3, Enterprise 1-2, and Voyager 1-7.) Not really the case with Discovery, although the Klingon subtitles alone have prevented me from rewatching.
But if you compare Discovery to more modern shows like, say, Game of Thrones, Daredevil... I don't watch much else!... they flew out of the gate. Comparatively speaking, Discovery lacks.
