Stanley Cup Final - Tampa Bay Lightning (2) vs Dallas Stars (3)

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Great post. The Lightning organization is truly exemplary and you have to give Yzerman a ton of credit IMO for putting together this team. He is breaking the adage that great players don't make great coaches or GM's.

Who knows what next year looks like for the NHL and they have some serious economic concerns but it does feel like there is a sense of partnership among the players and league right now. The NFL seems to be showing you can travel in order to play games safely, but they only once a week, so still seems unlikely NHL could look at a full schedule at least to start.

up until this morning.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/us/te...spt/index.html

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

up until this morning.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/us/te...spt/index.html

and so it begins...queue people talking about how it will effect their fantasy football teams.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That's cool. Both were tremendous so I like that the vote was close. Both were deserving, but like I said earlier I'm glad a dman won it since they often get overlooked.

I like how they did the trophy presentation and handoff, I thought it was super classy. Also like that Bettman announced Tampa requested it to be that way. You barely noticed there were no fans because of how well it was done.

Then you have the Superbowl debacle of a presentation, LoL.

And 99% less F bombs than St. Louis, for the family viewers.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Buff

Furthermore, I checked this out. Only 16 1st over-all draft picks have even won the Stanley Cup.

Plasse (68)
Houle (69)
Lafleur (71)
Potvin (73)
Green (76)
Smith (78)
Ramage (79)
Lemieux (84)
Murphy (86)
Modano (88)
Lecavalier (98)
Fleury (03)
Ovechkin (04)
Crosby (05)
Kane (07)
Stamkos (08)

Edit: I completely missed Michel Plasse, Rejean Houle, Rick Green, Bobby Smith and Rob Ramage.

I'm pretty sure that every team to win a cup in the cap era has had top 3 pick on their roster at the time, and also picked top 2 at some point in the previous 15 years (not always the same player at the end though...Stl picked E Johnson 1OA, Bouwmeester 3OA was on their roster for the cup).

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Drawing conclusions from tiny-sample stats like these...

ridiculous

Arguably the only samples that really matter. At least, the samples that should matter the most. Perhaps some of these commonalities among cup-winning teams are not actually just coincidental?

[The Professor]

Interesting gap from '88 to '98. I wonder why.

[troutman]

Tampa has two asterisk Cups now.

2004 = it was in
2020 = bubble hockey

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Arguably the only samples that really matter. At least, the samples that should matter the most. Perhaps some of these commonalities among cup-winning teams are not actually just coincidental?

Drawing a conclusion that you can't trade for a goalie and win the cup, based on the fact that the last 8 years were all drafted goalies, is flat out stupid. Sorry, but it is. There is no reason why a traded goalie can't win the cup.

Prior to the period quoted, there were traded goalies that won the cup. And guess what, there will be in the future as well.

It is human nature to see patterns - even when patterns don't exist. One of the consequences of this human trait is that we are quick to draw conclusions from data that are unwarranted.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by troutman

Tampa has two asterisk Cups now.

2004 = it was in
2020 = bubble hockey

[activeStick]

"F Dallas! They're going home empty handed!"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311014268825985026

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by troutman

Tampa has two asterisk Cups now.

2004 = it was in
2020 = bubble hockey

Also proving you can win with you captain doing jack ####. Both times.

[rogermexico]

I find it shocking that opposing players would not have warm feelings and empathy for the Dallas Stars.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by activeStick

"F Dallas! They're going home empty handed!"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311014268825985026

F Dallas is right. Too many POS's on that team.

Who's the little short guy with the championship belt on his shoulder in that clip? He's the one yapping.

Also, what is with the championship belt on his shoulder? lol

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Haha. What a butthurt Dallas fan.

I guarantee even the Stars players don’t care.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by getbak

Every Cup-winning goalie since 2012 was drafted by the winning team.

Every Cup-winning goalie since 2009 was playing for the first and only team he ever played NHL games for.

JS Giguere is the only Cup-winning goalie since 2006 who didn't play his first NHL game for the team he won the Cup with.

This means the Flames won't win with Talbot in net! Case in point!

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

F Dallas is right. Too many POS's on that team.



Who's the little short guy with the championship belt on his shoulder in that clip? He's the one yapping.



Also, what is with the championship belt on his shoulder? lol

I'm wondering if he's one of the guys who came out to the podium with Cooper for the post game presser. If so, Cooper brought out all thr behind the scenes guys like the video guys, eyes in the sky, etc.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Interesting gap from '88 to '98. I wonder why.

There was some good players picked too, but a couple of misses. Lindros' career was cut short and hampered by concussion issues. Berard had the eye injury. Daigle had motivation injuries. Sundin played for the Leafs.

Nordiques picked 1st overall, three years in a row. 89, 90 & 91. They moved and won the Cup in 96. After they had traded all three players to help build a strong team. Lindros gave them Forsberg and a couple of key players to help them win.

For some players it doesn't reflect how good they are as a player and a team member but sometimes they just had bad luck to not be on a team who could build a championship.

89 - Sundin
90 - Nolan
91 - Lindros
92 - Hamrlik
93 - Daigle
94 - Jovanovski
95 - Berard
96 - Phillips
97 - Thornton

[bluejays]

Yup. And I’d actually argue that in recent years scouting and talent management has been better where generally if you’re a top pick you have a much better chance of realizing that potential. There have been a few who haven’t made it as high as they should, without stating the obvious names.

[Dx54]

Originally Posted by activeStick

"F Dallas! They're going home empty handed!"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311014268825985026

I have absolutely no problem with this, even if it wasn't Dallas. They just won a championship, enjoy it. **** it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by activeStick

"F Dallas! They're going home empty handed!"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311014268825985026

It looks like pancake batter.

[Enoch Root]

that's what she said