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Old 07-17-2018, 01:09 AM   #341
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Youíre absolutely correct. I didnít explain my point enough, which is he played 3rd line, and Iím sure gleefully, all the way to 2 cups. The depth options are key. Canít wait to see who plays best with who.
Is he a third liner? Since joining the Pens, he only trails Crosby and Malkin for even-strength and power play ice time per game among Penguins forwards.
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:51 AM   #342
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Is he a third liner? Since joining the Pens, he only trails Crosby and Malkin for even-strength and power play ice time per game among Penguins forwards.
This is my point. Having a guy on the ď3rd lineĒ isnít really a negative thing or a limitation to a team that is deep. Itís about rolling as many lines as you can, and using PP/PK specialists where they fit best.
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:59 AM   #343
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His most used deployment 5vs5 last year was 19.3% of the time with Hagelin and Malkin. Next closest after that was 15.6% of the time with Guentzel and Sheahan after that most all other line combinations see him with either one of Malkin or Crosby with very occasional deployment on the third line with Brassard and Sheary.

I understand your trying to speak to the strength of having a guy like Neal on the third line but Kessel isnít the best comparison for that narrative IMO.

That said I do think you could see Neal play some shifts alongside Bennett/Janko on the third line to help spark bottom 6 scoring but I donít think he will be a mainstay on the third line.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:07 AM   #344
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For a team who struggled so terribly to score last year, I think our newest sniper is going to be given every opportunity to pot some goals early on. Balance out the lines once we establish the chemistry
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:20 PM   #345
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Running low on time today, so can’t respond to everybody. But I’ve said what I’ve had to say on this subject and based on Treliving’s comments regarding Lindholm from Kristen Anderson: “More context from Treliving: "They’re trying to manage if Elias pops, like they’re hoping he will. They’re trying to mitigate the risk as we are as well. At the end of the day, it fell in line with what we were obviously trying to accomplish from the start.” I think based on the negotiations, it sounded like we were on the same page in terms of trying to mitigate the risk which is why the final cap hit ended up being what it was.

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Old 07-17-2018, 06:03 PM   #346
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This is my point. Having a guy on the ď3rd lineĒ isnít really a negative thing or a limitation to a team that is deep. Itís about rolling as many lines as you can, and using PP/PK specialists where they fit best.
Agreed, but before we start the season we can’t artificially inflate our depth by putting our 1st or 2nd best RW based on all information we have right now and slotting him in on the third line behind a career AHL player to date who we arbitrarily decide will play top line. Fantastic outcome for the Flames if James Neal gets pushed to the third line, but slotting him there right now behind a guy who has yet to even come close to proving he can out play Neal just falsely inflates our line up.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:56 PM   #347
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^ Agreed. It's all about context. We could play Johnny on the 4th line technically ... (although it's arguable that he is what defines the first line).

One comment from last season sticks out to me. I forget the exact wording and the poster, but they said something along the lines of "the Flames have the best forward depth in the league". I think it's very easy to think of best-case scenarios during this time. But disappointments do happen! Reality also happens!
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:57 PM   #348
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Interesting this tool has his most comparable player as Bo Horvat

https://public.tableau.com/profile/o...SimilarityTool

Even though Horvat is a dirty Canuck I’m a big fan of the player, if if Lindholm can provide for us what Horvat does for the the Canucks I’ll be a big fan.
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https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/wor...202300060.html


Surprised they list Lindholm as one of the top five 'worrisome' FA contracts
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:22 PM   #350
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Surprised they list Lindholm as one of the top five 'worrisome' FA contracts
Do they think hes going to break a leg or something?

At his historic level of production this is a good deal, if he improves whatsoever its a great deal!
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Old 07-19-2018, 02:29 PM   #351
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Surprised they list Lindholm as one of the top five 'worrisome' FA contracts
Sure, the potential is there for Lindholm to become a solid top-six contributor, but he has yet to churn out the production that matches his new price tag.

that's also some impressive crap right there, because the numbers suggest he's already a solid top-six contributor.

145th among forwards in goals
101st among forwards in assists
128th among forwards in points

divide that by 31 and you'll see his numbers are those of an average 2nd liner already.
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Surprised they list Lindholm as one of the top five 'worrisome' FA contracts
Especially since Lindholm wasn't a FA. It's a great contract.

Statsny's contract, since it only covered 3 years, was considered a very good deal by most of us.
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Old 07-21-2018, 04:47 PM   #353
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Kent Wilson article on Lindholm a few days ago:

"Iím not sure Iíve ever encountered a player with as many contraindicators as Lindholm before. Heís lackluster defensively at even strength, but excellent on the PK. He drives shots and has quality passing indicators, but mediocre production...."

Seems like he'll be a difficult one to pencil in just on paper at first. As much as a Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal line could score all sorts of goals, have to wonder that the finishing ability is more wanted on a Tkachuk - Backlund pairing that tends to get chances and offensive time more than production.

Lindholm could be the playmaking RW like Hudler but also give more relief to Monahan who takes a lot of draws on his own but now can focus strictly on strong side draws. Yet is it enough to makeup for the lacklustre defense zone quality as a trio? Who knows.
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