Brad Treliving needs to go

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pretty much. Interesting comments from Francis on Monday where he states that Sutter is already grating to some players and that is concerning. They need to move these guys out. This teams only chance is a full buy in to what Sutter wants. Basically becoming the Islanders west and play the coaches system 100% of the time

"The coach is making me work, why can't I just lie down on the ice?"

This goddamned team.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pretty much. Interesting comments from Francis on Monday where he states that Sutter is already grating to some players and that is concerning. They need to move these guys out. This teams only chance is a full buy in to what Sutter wants. Basically becoming the Islanders west and play the coaches system 100% of the time

If this is true, blow it up and get rid of these losers.

[FlamesAddiction]

Probably the same players that complained about Hartley making Sven Baertschi cry.

Figure out who the softest players on the team are and I think those are the ones likely complaining. Ship them out.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I mean making Sven cry is kinda over the line.
That stuff has no place in the game. At least in my view.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I mean making Sven cry is kinda over the line.
That stuff has no place in the game. At least in my view.

I wonder what he said to him. Probably something like "Lots of Swiss watches are just overpriced cases with Chinese made movements in them".

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Doesn't this basically show when JG doesnt product points the Flames loose?

And this is the crux of the issue. We depend on JG to best the best player on the ice when he should be the 2nd or 3rd best (Even his pay dictates this)

I honestly dont know how this team will generate a scoring chance without JG on the team.

No need to try to tank - If you can't score in today's NHL and have a lethal PP you will be terrible - tanking or not

Yep 100%.

There use to be this one website that I can’t remember what it is, but it use to show wins in an individual players game log and I remember seeing the team’s winning streaks coinciding with Gaudreau’s scoring streaks. In other words, where Gaudreau went, this team went. Very similar to the Iggy era. Guess we didn’t learn from our mistakes and basically created the same one line team that relies on one winger to carry the team past the first round.

Gaudreau’s percentage of his team’s goals also spoke volumes to how much reliance there was on #13. Although this was in years past, not sure what the numbers will say in recent seasons.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I mean making Sven cry is kinda over the line.
That stuff has no place in the game. At least in my view.

Yeah that's pretty much humiliating a person in front of their peers.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I mean making Sven cry is kinda over the line.
That stuff has no place in the game. At least in my view.

I cried once at work. A co-worker said the Jews were behind 9/11. That guy was a true dickhead.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by nik-

I wonder what he said to him. Probably something like "Lots of Swiss watches are just overpriced cases with Chinese made movements in them".

Didn't he call him straight up lazy or said he never saw a lazier player in the neutral zone and backed it up with video infront of everyone?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pretty much. Interesting comments from Francis on Monday where he states that Sutter is already grating to some players and that is concerning. They need to move these guys out. This teams only chance is a full buy in to what Sutter wants. Basically becoming the Islanders west and play the coaches system 100% of the time

This is no surprise. They hated Hartley and hated peters by the 2nd year. The only coaches these guys have liked has been “player” coaches like Gully and Ward. Send them packing

[AC]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Didn't he call him straight up lazy or said he never saw a lazier player in the neutral zone and backed it up with video infront of everyone?

Shane O'Brien has said that Hartley went after Baertschi on a personal level and really bullied him about something that crossed the line.

[DeluxeMoustache]

So whatever supposedly happened where CP wasn’t behind closed doors, as far as Hartley goes, is well enough known that we can pass judgment

Anything that Treliving does behind closed doors is something we just can’t ever know, can never appreciate the complexity or nuance, can’t judge, and should we consider it, must err on the side giving him the benefit of the doubt

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So whatever supposedly happened where CP wasn’t behind closed doors, as far as Hartley goes, is well enough known that we can pass judgment

Anything that Treliving does behind closed doors is something we just can’t ever know, can never appreciate the complexity or nuance, can’t judge, and should we consider it, must err on the side giving him the benefit of the doubt

It's something in the pizza.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Doesn't this basically show when JG doesnt product points the Flames loose?

And this is the crux of the issue. We depend on JG to best the best player on the ice when he should be the 2nd or 3rd best (Even his pay dictates this)

I honestly dont know how this team will generate a scoring chance without JG on the team.

No need to try to tank - If you can't score in today's NHL and have a lethal PP you will be terrible - tanking or not

Or it shows that Gaudreau has trouble scoring in important, tightly-contested games.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I mean making Sven cry is kinda over the line.
That stuff has no place in the game. At least in my view.

Hartley made Sven cry? How?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Or it shows that Gaudreau has trouble scoring in important, tightly-contested games.

He wouldn’t have as much trouble if his team had a player or two who was better than he is.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A valid point. It took Pittsburgh 4 years of being terrible before they even made the POs. 3 before Crosby and one after (though perhaps the first of the bad years wasn’t an actual tank). They drafted 5, 1, 2, 1 and 2 OA in succession. Then they were eliminated in round one, with Crosby and Malkin (and after that the rest is history).

ETA: You are also likely asking owners to lose money for 4 years if they get no PO revenue (which is their real profit centre).

Realistically they're going to miss the playoffs on a semi-regular basis even without a rebuild. Might as well suck it up and build for longer term success.

[868904]

Originally Posted by madmike

Realistically they're going to miss the playoffs on a semi-regular basis even without a rebuild. Might as well suck it up and build for longer term success.

They aren't going to rebuild with Sutter around.

They will retool and there will be a big move in the core.

I really have no idea what they will do. Eichel is a pipe dream. Plus I'm not sure Darryl wants to teach another centre how to play a 200 foot game.

I feel like Tkachuk will get moved before Gaudreau. Something isn't right in that locker room. I've never seen another player come to Tkachuk's defense on the ice. If you can, remind me of it. You see Tkachuk defending his teammates all the time but no one has his back. Tkachuk seems to be buddies with Gaudreau but the the rest of his best buds are gone now (Bennett and Rittich).

You see the Capitals defending Wilson ALL the time despite the things he does. It's weird that Tkachuk always has to fight his own battles.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 868904

They aren't going to rebuild with Sutter around.

They will retool and there will be a big move in the core.

I really have no idea what they will do. Eichel is a pipe dream. Plus I'm not sure Darryl wants to teach another centre how to play a 200 foot game.

I feel like Tkachuk will get moved before Gaudreau. Something isn't right in that locker room. I've never seen another player come to Tkachuk's defense on the ice. If you can, remind me of it. You see Tkachuk defending his teammates all the time but no one has his back. Tkachuk seems to be buddies with Gaudreau but the the rest of his best buds are gone now (Bennett and Rittich).

You see the Capitals defending Wilson ALL the time despite the things he does. It's weird that Tkachuk always has to fight his own battles.

I’ve noticed the same thing. I like Tkachuk and don’t really want him traded. I do however have a feeling he might ask for a trade at end of season.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Honestly it seemed like Tkachuk was the one guy mixing it up with opponents, getting into tough areas, and scoring important goals. His teammates not coming to his back says more about his teammates and their lack of competitive effort than it does about Tkachuk. I cannot wait until this pathetic core is disbanded forever.