American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Dion]

Originally Posted by troutman

Over 100 Republicans, including former officials, threaten to split from the G.O.P.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/u...rty-trump.html

Goes to the problem with the Republican party. It's fractured and removing Cheney has only caused a deeper chasm in the party. McCarthy thinks ousting Cheney will unifie the party, but history is going to show he's wrong.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, Yang has really shown his ass a few times during this mayoral race.

Americans are far more sympathetic to Israel (58 per cent) than the Palestinians (25 per cent).

https://news.gallup.com/poll/340331/...estinians.aspx

It’s safe to assume the gap in those numbers is even higher in New York. No serious candidate for mayor would come out as favouring the Palestinians.

The last thing the Democrats need is a repeat of the headaches a cohort of passionately anti-Israeli campaigners caused the British Labour party, which led to an embarrassing and damaging inquiry into anti-semitism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

That AOC tweet is precisely the level of stupid that could have been expected. "Dehumanizing" someone has a specific meaning, and failing to mention a group of people in a tweet doesn't come remotely close. And Biden's tweet didn't imply anything about ignoring human rights violations.

The "squad" or whatever (I don't know who gave them that nickname but it needs to die) are so obnoxiously dense.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The "squad" or whatever (I don't know who gave them that nickname but it needs to die) are so obnoxiously dense.

They’re a gift to Republicans. If GOP hackers took over their social media accounts in an effort to antagonize moderates and turn them away from the Dems, I doubt anybody would notice a change.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Americans are far more sympathetic to Israel (58 per cent) than the Palestinians (25 per cent).

https://news.gallup.com/poll/340331/...estinians.aspx

It’s safe to assume the gap in those numbers is even higher in New York. No serious candidate for mayor would come out as favouring the Palestinians.

The last thing the Democrats need is a repeat of the headaches a cohort of passionately anti-Israeli campaigners caused the British Labour party, which led to an embarrassing and damaging inquiry into anti-semitism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

Sure but he simply pandering. The fact that people did and do support this guy as anything resembling a serious left candidate is insane.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by troutman

Over 100 Republicans, including former officials, threaten to split from the G.O.P.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/u...rty-trump.html

That would only matter if they voted differently than the other party. They won't. They embrace the same radical views on many issues so will remain a voting block. The only difference is there will be a schism in leadership and the agenda setting. But they will all still be anti-immigrant, pro-business/anti-government, pro-tax cuts for the rich, pro-tax increases on the poor, pro-privatization of all health and human services, anti-education, and anti-voter rights. Still the same ####, just in two different but equally smelly piles. Just means more flies around the yard. All this would do in congress is give the Dems a larger majority than either party, but then face the same outcome as the two conservative sides pull together vote along traditional conservative lines. You can split them up, and they will caucus separately, but they still share the same bad ideas designed to hurt a majority of people.

[PsYcNeT]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1392487873048416261

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by New Era

That would only matter if they voted differently than the other party. They won't. They embrace the same radical views on many issues so will remain a voting block. The only difference is there will be a schism in leadership and the agenda setting. But they will all still be anti-immigrant, pro-business/anti-government, pro-tax cuts for the rich, pro-tax increases on the poor, pro-privatization of all health and human services, anti-education, and anti-voter rights. Still the same ####, just in two different but equally smelly piles. Just means more flies around the yard. All this would do in congress is give the Dems a larger majority than either party, but then face the same outcome as the two conservative sides pull together vote along traditional conservative lines. You can split them up, and they will caucus separately, but they still share the same bad ideas designed to hurt a majority of people.

Yet the media is celebrating this nothingburger. Liz Cheney is a hero!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yet the media is celebrating this nothingburger. Liz Cheney is a hero!

What this does clearly show is the QAnon, Donald Trump loving, conspiracy theory embracing, morons of epic proportions, are clearly in control of the GOP. The fracturing of the party would ne a good thing, and might lead to a gravitation back toward sanity, but on policy issues, nothing changes.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Americans are far more sympathetic to Israel (58 per cent) than the Palestinians (25 per cent).

https://news.gallup.com/poll/340331/...estinians.aspx

It’s safe to assume the gap in those numbers is even higher in New York. No serious candidate for mayor would come out as favouring the Palestinians.

The last thing the Democrats need is a repeat of the headaches a cohort of passionately anti-Israeli campaigners caused the British Labour party, which led to an embarrassing and damaging inquiry into anti-semitism.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

This is such a cynical brand of politics. It's no wonder we get the milquetoast, "stand for nothing" leaders we do

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That AOC tweet is precisely the level of stupid that could have been expected. "Dehumanizing" someone has a specific meaning, and failing to mention a group of people in a tweet doesn't come remotely close. And Biden's tweet didn't imply anything about ignoring human rights violations.

We're doing semantics again, are we?

[Swift]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

https://twitter.com/user/status/1392487873048416261

Palestinians have a lot of support in Ireland for that very reason. Both people (especially Irish Republicans in NI) have a shared understanding of being oppressed by a much stronger neighbour. You'll even see Palestinian flags in some places as a show of support.

[oldschoolcalgary]

I feel bad for Cheney...but then I realize that she was part of this kind of garbage for a long time before.

Cheney pushed many of the same extreme positions Trump embraced, arguing in 2019 that Democrats had become the “party of antisemitism, the party of infanticide, the party of socialism.” She frequently demonized Muslim Americans ― including Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) ― implying that they are anti-American, antisemitic and a security threat.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/liz-c...b0f73e530d4b2e

The GOP has moved so far into crazy town that people like her are now solicit empathy?

Hell, I've become a fan of George W Bush now, which is insane considering how much I reviled that administration 20 years ago...

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I feel bad for Cheney...but then I realize that she was part of this kind of garbage for a long time before.



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/liz-c...b0f73e530d4b2e

The GOP has moved so far into crazy town that people like her are now solicit empathy?

Hell, I've become a fan of George W Bush now, which is insane considering how much I reviled that administration 20 years ago...

I guess over time as things have gotten far more polarized, we've come to romanticize a bygone era, we can actually reflect and conclude "Wow, maybe things weren't that bad under Dubya".

I mean imagine the political landscape being in such a situation that Mitt f--king Romney is the voice of reason in the GOP.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I wouldn't say I've become a fan of any of those Republicans, but when you're facing an existential threat you look for common allies from all backgrounds and ideologies.

Honestly, I wouldn't shed a tear if the Republican party just consumed itself with all this infighting, but then I worry about what would come out of that process. I could see a split party leading to even more extremism with the moderates forming their own party or even coming over to the Democrats (since truly the democrats are a centrist party anyway). It would probably lead to a very loud minority caucus for the foreseeable future, but you'd still get some red states electing bat#### crazy governors and legislations. Federally, they would lose a LOT of elections if they fractured the party even a little bit. They can barely win federal elections as it is, which is why you're seeing so much voter suppression in each state.

Or, maybe I'm wrong and a fractured right with consistent federal election losses will lead to the extremists losing their power over time and a moderate right party will emerge again. One dares to dream.

[GirlySports]

There is no fractured right. Nobody is voting any different. If you're looking for centrist, moderate, sensible Republicans, Liz Cheney isn't one of them. Policywise, she's as hardcore conservative as anyone. The only 'fault' she committed is not spreading Trump's lies. She got demoted, that is all.

In fact the ones spreading Trump lies are the less conservatives ones, including the woman that's going to replace Cheney. Democrats stealing the election is the path the GOP continues to go down.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

We're doing semantics again, are we?

Is this a thing now, where anyone can call anyone anything, or describe any practice in any way they want, and when you point out that they're wrong you just wave your hand and say "semantics"? Can I just call you a pedophile, and when you point out that you don't meet the definition, can I just say, "oh, so we're worried about semantics"? In the context of this discussion it wouldn't be surprising to see someone referred to as a war criminal. Does it matter if they actually are, or are we just going for effect here?

People don't just get to say whatever they like regardless of whether it's true or makes any sense and then, when their idiocy is pointed out, accuse the people correcting them of being pedantic. FFS, that's so incredibly obnoxious.

[jayswin]

Good lord

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Is this a thing now, where anyone can call anyone anything, or describe any practice in any way they want, and when you point out that they're wrong you just wave your hand and say "semantics"? Can I just call you a pedophile, and when you point out that you don't meet the definition, can I just say, "oh, so we're worried about semantics"? In the context of this discussion it wouldn't be surprising to see someone referred to as a war criminal. Does it matter if they actually are, or are we just going for effect here?

People don't just get to say whatever they like regardless of whether it's true or makes any sense and then, when their idiocy is pointed out, accuse the people correcting them of being pedantic. FFS, that's so incredibly obnoxious.

Wow clearly that hit a nerve. You gonna be alright?

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That AOC tweet is precisely the level of stupid that could have been expected. "Dehumanizing" someone has a specific meaning, and failing to mention a group of people in a tweet doesn't come remotely close. And Biden's tweet didn't imply anything about ignoring human rights violations.

The "squad" or whatever (I don't know who gave them that nickname but it needs to die) are so obnoxiously dense.

What is your issue exactly? Yes, dehumanization has meaning but I'm not sure how it's out of context
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...n-violence.cnn

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Wow clearly that hit a nerve. You gonna be alright?

Plot twist: Corsi is Andrew Yang