[PGT] Flames lose 5-4 in OT to the Rangers

[dino7c]

Huberdeau was a post away from assisting on the winning goal on that last PP...on a shot no less

its a fine line.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I don't like it because I think the essence of the game is using a stick to play the puck. Making the primary way you score your points in the game achievable through other means, doesn't equate to what is the fundamental skillset of the game. Why not allow directing the puck in with your hand?

I'd ban all skate redirects and kicks if it were up to me. You want to score it has to be done playing hockey.

you can score off your ass though

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I don't like it because I think the essence of the game is using a stick to play the puck. Making the primary way you score your points in the game achievable through other means, doesn't equate to what is the fundamental skillset of the game. Why not allow directing the puck in with your hand?

I'd ban all skate redirects and kicks if it were up to me. You want to score it has to be done playing hockey.

So a Stone slapper goes in accidentally off Lucic's foot when his back is turned and it's no goal? What about his shin pad?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So a Stone slapper goes in accidentally off Lucic's foot when his back is turned and it's no goal? What about his shin pad?

What about the goalie let out a rebound and hit Lucic's butt?

[dino7c]

Speaking of Stone slappers...I know its old school but why not setup his shot on PP2? its basically unstoppable. Then if teams start cheating and trying to block it (Ouch) it opens up other stuff.

[Wastedyouth]

Outcoached again. Woooo!

[Owen15]

Not going to sort through the many pages in the PGT. Hard enough loss, I suspect I know what I’ll see.

My comment is solely around the two Trouba fights.

I’m sitting watching replays of them. How the frack can they call additional roughing / instigators on those fights. Trouba had his gloves off looking for anyone who would go before either Dube or Tanev engaged. Like wtf?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Not going to sort through the many pages in the PGT. Hard enough loss, I suspect I know what I’ll see.

My comment is solely around the two Trouba fights.

I’m sitting watching replays of them. How the frack can they call additional roughing / instigators on those fights. Trouba had his gloves off looking for anyone who would go before either Dube or Tanev engaged. Like wtf?

Yeah the Tanev one especially was crazy - where is the roughing call?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So a Stone slapper goes in accidentally off Lucic's foot when his back is turned and it's no goal? What about his shin pad?

That's a totally different thing than directing the puck in intentionally. Of course the puck is going to bounce in randomly off players sometimes. Not at all what I was talking about. Allowing any intentional directing of the puck into the goal with anything other than a stick should be illegal. IMO.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Determining "intention" is a losing battle from the start

You can't really know with how fast this game is

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Igottago

That's a totally different thing than directing the puck in intentionally. Of course the puck is going to bounce in randomly off players sometimes. Not at all what I was talking about. Allowing any intentional directing of the puck into the goal with anything other than a stick should be illegal. IMO.

So that’s now leading to some sort of determination if the guy angled it in on purpose or if his foot just went that way.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Mangiapane's goal - once again - demonstrated how silly and subjective the rule is. They could easily have labelled it a kick, and they could easily have labelled it a deflection. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

Just allow all goals off of skates already.

I have never in my life seen a hockey player purposely kick at a puck in a manner that was dangerous to other players, so what is the point of the rule as it stands? Just count them all, which will have the added benefit of fewer video reviews (which absolutely no one enjoys)

Agreed. Just let players kick, deflect, knock it in with their feet. The league likes goals right? Take away the grey area and just allow it.

For people who say it's too dangerous, that's nonsense. No player in their right mind willingly elects to use their skates to hit a puck into the net when their stick is a viable option. Skates are a very last resort when the stick is tied up and not available. I'm fairly certain the list of injuries resulting from players demonstrating kicking motions of any kind is extremely short.

Let kicked goals go in, remove the debate about it.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Minny lost to the Yotes in regulation

Point on the road in New York is obviously a win for the Flames on the night vs. them. People need to stop looking at the Avs as the team to beat

So far math says they are.

But if I was betting I’d say Vegas and Minnesota are the teams the Flames might have a chance catching.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Goriders

So far math says they are.

But if I was betting I’d say Vegas and Minnesota are the teams the Flames might have a chance catching.

I was talking about last night...Calgary gained on Minny with a harder matchup

honestly the Avs are irrelevant to me, they will be a Central team so the Flames and them aren't competing

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Agreed. Just let players kick, deflect, knock it in with their feet. The league likes goals right? Take away the grey area and just allow it.

For people who say it's too dangerous, that's nonsense. No player in their right mind willingly elects to use their skates to hit a puck into the net when their stick is a viable option. Skates are a very last resort when the stick is tied up and not available. I'm fairly certain the list of injuries resulting from players demonstrating kicking motions of any kind is extremely short.

Let kicked goals go in, remove the debate about it.

If the skate blade stays on the ice, good goal. That removes the danger from it and removes any decision making from the ref.

[Manhattanboy]

Watched the MSG highlights. Sam Rosen great with the call and Dave Maloney with lots of praise for the Flames.

[powderjunkie]

Pretty much every possible option suggested here is better than the current "distinct kicking motion" rule.

If it has to be an ambiguous standard, why not move that ambiguous standard to something like "dangerous kicking motion". Which I can't define any better than distinct kicking motion, but I could probably say "I know it when I see it".

The problem is there probably wouldn't be a single existing example to demonstrate the wrong side of the line...which really just shows how unnecessary the current rule is.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Speaking of Stone slappers...I know its old school but why not setup his shot on PP2? its basically unstoppable. Then if teams start cheating and trying to block it (Ouch) it opens up other stuff.

When Stone misses the net, which happens quite a bit, the puck usually gets out of the zone, and Stone isn't great at keeping pucks in on the PP. I think the Flames figured that they can create a more quality scoring opportunity than the Stone slap-shot closer to the net.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

When Stone misses the net, which happens quite a bit, the puck usually gets out of the zone, and Stone isn't great at keeping pucks in on the PP. I think the Flames figured that they can create a more quality scoring opportunity than the Stone slap-shot closer to the net.

well I figure they are wrong based on how things have gone...PP2 why not?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

well I figure they are wrong based on how things have gone...PP2 why not?

I'm all for changing it up, but I would like to see Weegar there if Stone doesn't work out. Then again I actually liked Phillips on PP2 as well, so I'm rooting for another call-up. I also think that Lindholm is being wasted as a net front presence on PP1, so I wouldn't be against them trying Mangiapane there instead of one of the forwards.