12-01-2022, 08:39 PM
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#541
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by RichieRich
The thing is to find "a guy" (so to speak) that can consistently do a good job... which IMO is to at least match market returns (or maybe more) and magically avoid most of market drops, whilst most importantly not miss market increases.
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Anyone that tells you they can match or beat 'market' (whatever that means) returns and avoid most of the drops is at best a liar. Especially after fees.
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12-01-2022, 09:01 PM
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#542
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by chedder
Anyone that tells you they can match or beat 'market' (whatever that means) returns and avoid most of the drops is at best a liar. Especially after fees.
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Especially buying the index…you know, because there’s zero percent chance of doing this. The thing is, there’s no such thing as passive investing. Once you accept that, you move to what kind of active investing you want to do and how you want to implement that.
And let me be clear about the “beating the market” part. It’s entirely irrelevant. People are trying to reach specific goals and with risks they can tolerate.
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12-04-2022, 12:04 AM
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#543
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I neglected retirement planning almost to the last minute. I have some RSP savings but certainly not enough. My TFSA gets maxed every year and is doing reasonably well. Due to the previously mentioned neglect and disinterest I have a lot of accumulated RSP room. My plan is to leave my job at mid year, having turned 65 the previous year. At tax time, I will make an RSP contribution large enough to bring my total income for the year of my retirement to zero. This would qualify me for a monthly max GIS payment tacked on to my OAS, a strategy I can continue until I use up all my RSP room. My question is, would I also qualify for retroactive GIS for my entire retirement year? Technically, I'll be a destitute senior for that year so I would think so.
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12-04-2022, 07:42 AM
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#544
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Red Ice Player
I neglected retirement planning almost to the last minute. I have some RSP savings but certainly not enough. My TFSA gets maxed every year and is doing reasonably well. Due to the previously mentioned neglect and disinterest I have a lot of accumulated RSP room. My plan is to leave my job at mid year, having turned 65 the previous year. At tax time, I will make an RSP contribution large enough to bring my total income for the year of my retirement to zero. This would qualify me for a monthly max GIS payment tacked on to my OAS, a strategy I can continue until I use up all my RSP room. My question is, would I also qualify for retroactive GIS for my entire retirement year? Technically, I'll be a destitute senior for that year so I would think so.
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I don’t want to give advice online, because it’s obvious that I don’t know the full situation here. But a couple things in general:
A) you could get retroactive payments from Service Canada because they do this when they pay things like CPP/OAS depending on the exact situation. I’m not completely sure about GIS though.
B) I’d really think about the plan of taking your income to zero for a few reasons. First, it sounds like you’re about to make a bunch of non-taxable or already taxed money, taxable. While that might get you some GIS, you want to make sure that makes sense (assuming you can get the GIS this way).
B1/2) ETA: you might not need to take your income right down to zero in this plan. You get the basic personal amount and things like that, so those RRSP contributions are almost a moot point. You could be best to set those funds aside and stagger the contributions through the next few years. I’m not saying that’s what you should do for sure, but you’d need to do the math and see what comes out the most favourable.
I know some people here are going to get irritated with my saying this for the second time in a few days…but there are professionals who do this kind of thing for a living, and we can handle these kinds of scenarios. You should probably consider some professional advice.
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12-04-2022, 07:52 AM
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#545
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Originally Posted by Slava
I don’t want to give advice online, because it’s obvious that I don’t know the full situation here. But a couple things in general:
A) you could get retroactive payments from Service Canada because they do this when they pay things like CPP/OAS depending on the exact situation. I’m not completely sure about GIS though.
B) I’d really think about the plan of taking your income to zero for a few reasons. First, it sounds like you’re about to make a bunch of non-taxable or already taxed money, taxable. While that might get you some GIS, you want to make sure that makes sense (assuming you can get the GIS this way).
B1/2) ETA: you might not need to take your income right down to zero in this plan. You get the basic personal amount and things like that, so those RRSP contributions are almost a moot point. You could be best to set those funds aside and stagger the contributions through the next few years. I’m not saying that’s what you should do for sure, but you’d need to do the math and see what comes out the most favourable.
I know some people here are going to get irritated with my saying this for the second time in a few days…but there are professionals who do this kind of thing for a living, and we can handle these kinds of scenarios. You should probably consider some professional advice.
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FWIW, I completely agree. I don't know where I'd be without my financial advisor. I definitely sleep better at night having that expertise in my corner. This poster absolutely, positively needs some professional guidance before retiring. It's a borderline emergency for him.
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12-04-2022, 08:04 AM
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#546
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I second that advice. I tried gaming the system myself for a few years before I found a good financial advisor. With his help, after 10 years of retirement my nest egg is still the same size as when I started - much better than the path I was on by myself.
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12-04-2022, 06:51 PM
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#547
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Slava
I don’t want to give advice online, because it’s obvious that I don’t know the full situation here. But a couple things in general:
A) you could get retroactive payments from Service Canada because they do this when they pay things like CPP/OAS depending on the exact situation. I’m not completely sure about GIS though.
B) I’d really think about the plan of taking your income to zero for a few reasons. First, it sounds like you’re about to make a bunch of non-taxable or already taxed money, taxable. While that might get you some GIS, you want to make sure that makes sense (assuming you can get the GIS this way).
B1/2) ETA: you might not need to take your income right down to zero in this plan. You get the basic personal amount and things like that, so those RRSP contributions are almost a moot point. You could be best to set those funds aside and stagger the contributions through the next few years. I’m not saying that’s what you should do for sure, but you’d need to do the math and see what comes out the most favourable.
I know some people here are going to get irritated with my saying this for the second time in a few days…but there are professionals who do this kind of thing for a living, and we can handle these kinds of scenarios. You should probably consider some professional advice.
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Thanks for your reply. I strongly value your expertise in all things financial.
I am not about to turn my hard earned TFSA into taxable money. It will be my best income stream when I start drawing from it in three years. My RSP contribution will come out of my wages, as always. I actually won't have to make a massive contribution to achieve the zero income, as I have a good amount of unused RSP contributions that I made two years ago.
I have enough RSP room to collect max GIS for the first four years of my retirement. I only have to offset my CPP, which I already collect, and a very small company pension. I would also pay no income tax for those years. I am prepared to pay the tax on the RSP when I start withdrawing from it. To me, having that GIS money means I don't have to draw from my investments as much for those years.
Maybe "zero income" is the wrong term. What I meant was whatever amount of RSP contribution is necessary to qualify for max GIS. I should also mention that I am still eighteen months away from my retirement, so no rash decisions are being made. Thank you for your concern, Sliver.
I am trying to structure my retirement so that at least half of my income will be tax free, even when I start doing the RIF withdrawals.
I really do need to find out about retroactive GIS payments. It could amount to over twelve grand for my retirement year so I at least want to be prepared for it. GIS is not usually considered in most retirement plans but I think it should enter the conversation. I barely knew about it until a couple of years ago. Thanks to my RSP room, I can collect an extra cheque every month on top of the tax deferral.
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02-22-2023, 10:04 AM
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#548
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Does anyone have a detailed and highly customizable retirement planning calculator for Excel that they can link to? Happy to pay a little bit if it's what I'm looking for. Looking for something that's powerful enough to run various scenarios and optimize drawdowns (by account) for taxes, OAS, and CPP. Could build a model myself but wanted to ask if there's something amazing out there first.
Thanks in advance
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02-26-2023, 04:44 PM
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#549
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Originally Posted by kcin
Does anyone have a detailed and highly customizable retirement planning calculator for Excel that they can link to? Happy to pay a little bit if it's what I'm looking for. Looking for something that's powerful enough to run various scenarios and optimize drawdowns (by account) for taxes, OAS, and CPP. Could build a model myself but wanted to ask if there's something amazing out there first.
Thanks in advance
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That’s something I’d also be interested in.
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06-02-2023, 08:24 AM
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Franchise Player
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What is a typical rate of return on investments for someone of retirement age (i.e. a less aggressive investment approach). I'm unhappy with my current advisor but want to calibrate my expectations.
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06-02-2023, 08:34 AM
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#551
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by edslunch
What is a typical rate of return on investments for someone of retirement age (i.e. a less aggressive investment approach). I'm unhappy with my current advisor but want to calibrate my expectations.
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I think it's really hard to say with any certainty because it depends on the asset mix. It's also going to matter what kind of timeframe you're looking at, because if you were looking at a one year figure from today, it's not likely that amazing. If you're looking at longer, say the past decade or so, you should likely be high single digits for an average.
(I'll just throw my self forward as a shameless plug if you want to sit down for an unbiased look)
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06-02-2023, 08:56 AM
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#552
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Originally Posted by edslunch
What is a typical rate of return on investments for someone of retirement age (i.e. a less aggressive investment approach). I'm unhappy with my current advisor but want to calibrate my expectations.
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The obvious goal should be to outpace inflation while balancing risk and if not self-managing, having someone taking a more active management roll to keep on top of the changing market.
There are a number of blue chip stocks currently paying dividends well in excess of inflation...
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06-02-2023, 08:59 AM
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#553
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by you&me
The obvious goal should be to outpace inflation while balancing risk and if not self-managing, having someone taking a more active management roll to keep on top of the changing market.
There are a number of blue chip stocks currently paying dividends well in excess of inflation...
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Well to be fair, dividends are just a different way to get your return. I know people that love them (and I feel like I have this conversation regularly!), but the reality is that total return is what matters and dividends are just a piece of that.
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06-02-2023, 02:37 PM
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#554
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Originally Posted by Red Ice Player
I neglected retirement planning almost to the last minute. I have some RSP savings but certainly not enough. My TFSA gets maxed every year and is doing reasonably well. Due to the previously mentioned neglect and disinterest I have a lot of accumulated RSP room. My plan is to leave my job at mid year, having turned 65 the previous year. At tax time, I will make an RSP contribution large enough to bring my total income for the year of my retirement to zero. This would qualify me for a monthly max GIS payment tacked on to my OAS, a strategy I can continue until I use up all my RSP room. My question is, would I also qualify for retroactive GIS for my entire retirement year? Technically, I'll be a destitute senior for that year so I would think so.
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For GIS, I'm not 100% sure, but have a feeling it's based on the calculation of gross income (ie: Total box 15000 on your tax return).
RRSP contributions (as a deductions) are in the 20,XXX range to calculation net income (ie: Total box 236000). I don't think you can use RRSP contributions (ie: RRSP deductions) to have low enough taxable income (ie: Total box 26000) to qualify for GIS as a strategy.
Hire a professional to explain this stuff to you. Pay hourly for the requested questions and work (I assume you'd probably would be anywhere between 3-5 hours before you get the answers you need) and then go back on your merry way. Don't hire someone based on a percentage of your investments.
However, you might quickly find out that you were asking the wrong questions, so you have to go back and ask revised questions for a new scenario you may have ended up in. It's very normal to have to redo calculations every 3-5 years. You can't just do one up and leave it for decades until you die.
By the way, the same should be done for wills. Re-read and evaluate them every 5 years and get them updated/corrected if certain things change.
I don't have any recommendations for professionals. I'm just saying I'm 99% sure GIS income calculations are untweakable via deductions.
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02-01-2024, 04:03 PM
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#555
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uzbekistan
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9 years after I initially made this post, how is everyone doing?
I'm still on track and doing well despite separating from my spouse of 12 years recently (no kids made that easier, as well as no house to sell).
In the last year or so I've managed to get my boss, a couple of friends as well and sister and brother in law into the world of index investing and TFSAs and RRSPs through Wealthsimple.
When I was recently visiting my sister and brother in law, they showed me their work RRSP plans and they were horrific. They were also clueless about investing in general (despite having very good incomes). They were basically on track to have nothing for retirement aside from their house. They are now getting on track.
I always thought that it was only lower income people that had trouble saving for retirement, but I've learned that's not remotely true. I've had lunch with several fellow lawyers who have told me they don't save a cent.
For anyone thinking about taking control of their finances, the best time to start is now!
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02-01-2024, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny199r
9 years after I initially made this post, how is everyone doing?
I'm still on track and doing well despite separating from my spouse of 12 years recently (no kids made that easier, as well as no house to sell).
In the last year or so I've managed to get my boss, a couple of friends as well and sister and brother in law into the world of index investing and TFSAs and RRSPs through Wealthsimple.
When I was recently visiting my sister and brother in law, they showed me their work RRSP plans and they were horrific. They were also clueless about investing in general (despite having very good incomes). They were basically on track to have nothing for retirement aside from their house. They are now getting on track.
I always thought that it was only lower income people that had trouble saving for retirement, but I've learned that's not remotely true. I've had lunch with several fellow lawyers who have told me they don't save a cent.
For anyone thinking about taking control of their finances, the best time to start is now!
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I started investing young so it's always been a thing for me. Granted it was small dollars (relatively) but it got me in the right headspace. Super high MER's which I didn't even know were a thing for many many years. I messed up during the 2008 opportunity (pulled out too much near the bottom and came back in near the top) and that's stuck in me craw ever since. Also went for a few "flavor of the year" investments and rode the wave ....up.... and... down. I've since learned that its' time IN the market, not timing OF the market. In other words, don't do something... stand there! Through 2008, 2015, Covid there have been quite a few life challenges, but I stayed in the game and put money in when I could. Should be comfortably retired by 60 - definitely not eating dog/cat food, but no caviar either. I'd rather that than trying to work until 65+ and hoping for good health.
Other thing is that conservative fund* investing has been shown many MANY times to be almost useless (IMO). As long as you have a long view the statistics show in most cases going with growth or more aggressive growth funds is significantly better.
* = not individual stocks; not looking for "gambling" in stuff I don't control or that are subject to large fluctuations due to world events/economies. Biggest thing is I need to get more $$$ into ETF's but having a hard time making it happen.
I also know some people who think they'll retire in less than 10 years but essentially haven't done squat about saving or planning. it's just a hopeful wish. Typically those that are highly paid are frivolous and sometimes spend constantly like drunken sailors, whereas lower income people are a lot more aware of their overall life funds and so budget way better.
Am definitely envious of some work places that provide amazing pensions... such as AHS, CBE, anything government.
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02-02-2024, 05:57 AM
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#557
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Decided to transfer/consolidate everything into Wealthsimple in November, haven’t looked back. Put the RRSP on auto, and am doing my own index investing (VEQT for the win, baby!) and some riskier stocks (within reason). Cash is also sitting in WS’s HISA, which is better ROR than in my bank. I find the app for WS so damn good too, it makes investing literally look fun and easy to understand - whomever designed that app should get a medal.
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02-02-2024, 06:59 AM
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#558
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Originally Posted by RichieRich
Am definitely envious of some work places that provide amazing pensions... such as AHS, CBE, anything government.
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Just a point of fact the CBE doesn't provide anything as far as savings/pension plans go ![Smile](images/calpuck/smilies/smile2.gif) It's all operated outside of the CBE by ATRF. It just happens to come off the CBE paycheque.
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02-02-2024, 07:03 AM
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#559
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Franchise Player
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As far as retirement savings go, we're looking to transition my partner to a lower salary and less demanding job in about 10-12 years. The plan is to put enough away to safely earn $40-50k a year in investment interest and then she'll be able to take something that is a little less taxing.
After that it's just continue to put as much as possible away so that we can get out as early as we can and live off the interest and golf every day.
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02-02-2024, 09:14 AM
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#560
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Since the start of this post, I've lost more than $100k in Calgary real estate and Canadian O&G stocks (not to mention the opportunity costs of the S&P going up like 400% in that timeframe). Also got married with two kids. Luckily, I've continued to progress in my career and out earn all these terrible decisions.
Still on track to retire by 55 or so with a private sector defined benefit pension. However, I'm less confident in the stability of my career than I was 5-6 years ago, but luckily have enough of a cushion to weather a potential storm.
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