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Textcritic · 09-11-2020, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Corral

What’s left for Calgary without the flames? This pretty much says it all on this debate.

Look I understand why its being funded and built. However this notion that its a benefit for the masses is total bunk

It's a benefit only insofar as it ensures the long term tenancy of the Flames in Calgary. Without a new building they will move on. I don't think snyone here is pretending otherwise, but for the Flames to remain in Calgary for the next decades is itself something a lot of people will consider positive and beneficial.

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BurningSteel · 09-11-2020, 09:13 AM

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Enjoyment for relatively few. The VAST majority of calgarians cannot afford to attend events at the saddle dome, never mind what it will cost to attend something in this place.

And most who can afford to attend a flames game once or twice a season are likely very content with the saddledome

I only go once/twice a year and I actually dread it. The event itself is fine but the concourse and bathroom crowds and the appearance all suck to me.

Robbob · 09-11-2020, 09:16 AM

I know it is anecdotal, but there is a bit a pride as a Calgarian when you have someone who has grown out side of hockey culture and when introduced starts to live and breathe Flames colours. That is why it is unique having a major sports club in your city so people can have these sort of sport awakening. Next thing you know, a kid 15,000km away is wearing Flames colours.

My wife had a co-worker from Australia that was introduced to hockey a couple seasons ago. Guy just had a blast at a game and came back to the office bouncing off the walls with his experience. Single game turned into a bunch from the office looking for deals on stubhub and the like to go as a group. So when his work visa is up in a year and he heads back, he will be taking all his Flames jerseys and experiences with him.

Joborule · 02-04-2021, 06:06 PM

This thread title is outdated, but figure to bump this one, and perhaps a new thread can be made once the design is released, which should be this spring. But even without the renders released yet, a construction start date has been set for this August.

Major work set to ramp up in 2021 on BMO Centre expansion, new arena and Stampede LRT station revamp

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The design of the new arena, which will replace the Saddledome, is expected to be unveiled this spring and construction is slated to begin in August. Both new facilities are pegged for completion in 2024.

Muta · 02-04-2021, 06:34 PM

That disgusting LRT station (and pedestrian ramp and bridge) is coming down for something wayyyyy more modern and accessible. Can’t wait!

Mass_nerder · 02-04-2021, 06:51 PM

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That disgusting LRT station (and pedestrian ramp and bridge) is coming down for something wayyyyy more modern and accessible. Can’t wait!

But will it maintain its brutalist charm?!!?

Joborule · 02-04-2021, 06:59 PM

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But will it maintain its brutalist charm?!!?

(Unfortunately) No.

Mull · 04-07-2021, 08:51 AM

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Chatter on SkyriseCities forum tonight suggesting there is bad news coming next week about this project. Yikes.

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Any details? Is Nenshi stepping down before August or something? Just thought it my be related to Nenshi's news about not running and the election in October. If for some reason he stepped down before the election, I could see politics ruining the day once again.

I am not an expert in this, but if the City pulled out of the agreement due to an upcoming election after negotiating and and I am assuming incurring design costs, who the heck would ever enter into another massive project agreement with them?

Delays sure, but I can't see the City coming out and saying the project is cancelled until the new council has had a chance to vote, seems bad faith and incompetent.

Flamenspiel · 04-07-2021, 09:41 AM

Construction costs have gone sky high. I would not be surprised if it’s now considerably more expensive to built. I really don’t get where the money’s coming from on this one, both from the Flames and the city. The Flames revenue has got to be well below zero, maybe losses of 50-100 million dollars.

Why would a cancellation be surprising? Is it even remotely responsible for a broke city and team to afford such a luxury?

Although it could be a major announcement that they will remove the toilets, like the Oilers did.

The Yen Man · 04-07-2021, 09:44 AM

Lol, wouldn't this just be the icing on the cake of a crap season. Bad team and a canceled arena.

Roughneck · 04-07-2021, 09:46 AM

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Lol, wouldn't this just be the icing on the cake of a crap season. Bad team and a canceled arena.

Maybe it's the motivation the organization needs.

'We thought we entered into an agreement with an NHL team, since that doesn't appear to be the case we need to revisit our position...'

ComixZone · 04-07-2021, 09:47 AM

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Lol, wouldn't this just be the icing on the cake of a crap season. Bad team and a canceled arena.

If this deal actually does get cancelled, I think it would spell the end of the team in Calgary and it would absolutely poison the water between the City of Calgary and the NHL.

Joborule · 04-07-2021, 09:53 AM

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If this deal actually does get cancelled, I think it would spell the end of the team in Calgary and it would absolutely poison the water between the City of Calgary and the NHL.

I would assume for how optically bad this would look for Calgary to cancel the deal, that this will not happen. The city recognizes that this project is just as important for them, as it is for the Flames.

The absolute worse I can imagine happening is a delay in construction since they said it was suppose to begin this August.

mrdonkey · 04-07-2021, 11:08 AM

The good news hype train for this team just keeps on rolling!

The Familia · 04-07-2021, 11:35 AM

If the city pulls the plug on this, say goodbye to the team. They will have no motivation to stay and would abandon ship relatively quick. If the Flames leave and the CFL collapses that’s it for sports in this city. I’d imagine the owners would sell off or fold the Hitmen/Roughnecks and we would truly be left with nothing.

Textcritic · 04-07-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Familia

If the city pulls the plug on this, say goodbye to the team. They will have no motivation to stay and would abandon ship relatively quick. If the Flames leave and the CFL collapses that’s it for sports in this city. I’d imagine the owners would sell off or fold the Hitmen/Roughnecks and we would truly be left with nothing.

Why would the owner's want to sell one of the most lucrative franchises in the entire CHL?

FlamesAddiction · 04-07-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Familia

If the city pulls the plug on this, say goodbye to the team. They will have no motivation to stay and would abandon ship relatively quick. If the Flames leave and the CFL collapses that’s it for sports in this city. I’d imagine the owners would sell off or fold the Hitmen/Roughnecks and we would truly be left with nothing.

No way, surely Bettman will go begging to the city like he did in Pittsburgh or just have the NHL buy the team like he did in Phoenix. Right?

The Familia · 04-07-2021, 11:48 AM

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Why would the owner's want to sell one of the most lucrative franchises in the entire CHL?

Why would the owners all stick around to own nothing but a Jr. hockey team? Part of the reason the Hitmen are lucrative is because of the tie ins with the Flames and all of CSE’s properties. If the two biggest properties leave or fold (Flames/Stamps) I personally don’t see the point of CSE existing anymore. I’d imagine maybe one of the owners would keep the team as a pet project but the majority owners would probably cash out. WHL teams don’t print money hand over fist. So many teams have relocated. Can you honestly imagine Murray Edwards sticking around to own only the Hitmen? Just my opinion, but I don’t see these upper level owners who thrive on prestige sticking around to fund a couple minor league teams.

dammage79 · 04-07-2021, 11:51 AM

Well this should be fun. Kk will be doing flips in his grave if this falls through. What a slap in the face.

powderjunkie · 04-07-2021, 11:52 AM

It might be worth waiting to be sure that mass gatherings will be possible sometime this decade before breaking ground.

It seems possible that we may be in for several years of mutations that make it tough to get COVID sufficiently under control. We'll hopefully get closer to life as usual, but packing stadiums may not prudent for some time to come...