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Old 01-31-2017, 08:05 AM   #201
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so when does the defence start debunking, or presenting alternate theories, evidence etc to try and sway the jury into thinking that he did not commit these crimes?

Based on what I have read in the Herald, it seems right now the prosecution is driving the lines of questioning, who is on the stand etc?
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so when does the defence start debunking, or presenting alternate theories, evidence etc to try and sway the jury into thinking that he did not commit these crimes?

Based on what I have read in the Herald, it seems right now the prosecution is driving the lines of questioning, who is on the stand etc?
I assume all the defense can really do is point out things that can provide some doubt. Things like you didn't find his finger prints at the house, no shoes matching the shoe prints, you didn't monitor the burn barrel so anyone could have walked in and done it, there are no passwords on the computer or email so anyone could have used it.

And yes, currently the prosecution is calling witnesses. That's how it works?
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I assume all the defense can really do is point out things that can provide some doubt. Things like you didn't find his finger prints at the house, no shoes matching the shoe prints, you didn't monitor the burn barrel so anyone could have walked in and done it, there are no passwords on the computer or email so anyone could have used it.

And yes, currently the prosecution is calling witnesses. That's how it works?
To me, doubt only works if there's only a few key pieces of evidence. In this case, despite there being some doubt on certain pieces, there is a LOT of evidence that starts to stack up.
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To me, doubt only works if there's only a few key pieces of evidence. In this case, despite there being some doubt on certain pieces, there is a LOT of evidence that starts to stack up.
Better hope that none of the CPS in this involved are some of the dirty ones up on various charges. If youve got the head of the police association up on charges and other cops up on perjury charges and fabricating evidence, its not a stretch that an overlzealous cop planted or fabricated evidence against Garland.
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Better hope that none of the CPS in this involved are some of the dirty ones up on various charges. If youve got the head of the police association up on charges and other cops up on perjury charges and fabricating evidence, its not a stretch that an overlzealous cop planted or fabricated evidence against Garland.
Pretty ignorant thing to say about the CPS. One or two members being charged with a crime does not make them guilty, nor does it paint the whole 2200+ member force. Or the thousands of members that have come and gone in the past.

Please don't reply in this thread about alleged police misconduct, it has nothing to do with the court case. This thread should be reserved for facts about this case, and feelings people have about this case. If you want to bitch about police, there is a specific thread for that here: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=157717

Back to the topic: are any CP members attending this trial, or are we just relying on media and tweets for our information?
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Pretty ignorant thing to say about the CPS. One or two members being charged with a crime does not make them guilty, nor does it paint the whole 2200+ member force. Or the thousands of members that have come and gone in the past.

Please don't reply in this thread about alleged police misconduct, it has nothing to do with the court case. This thread should be reserved for facts about this case, and feelings people have about this case. If you want to bitch about police, there is a specific thread for that here: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=157717

Back to the topic: are any CP members attending this trial, or are we just relying on media and tweets for our information?
The members did just put a vote of confidence for the head of the CPA who had a judge rule his testimony was not reliable, was investigated by ASIRT and had purgry charges recommend to the crown, and the crown decided to lay purgry charges on said testimony.

Questioning the members in my mind now a days is completely fair after this vote.
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Like Redvan stated lets keep the CPS speculation out of this thread.

To answer the question, I'm just relaying the information from the media and tweets being released.
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Some of the live tweets from todays session...

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April searches done for scalpel blades, amputation knife and retractor. #Garland

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Multiple searches for Schlage lock cylinder drilling done June 19, 2014. #Garland

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Kraan found "a google search for most painful torture." #Garland

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"Lack of oxygen brain damage minutes" and "what happens to the brain without oxygen" searched. #Garland

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Other searches for "blackjack to cause unconsciousness" and "force needed for unconsciousness." #Garland

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Google searches for "force needed for concussion" and "best butcher knives" found. #Garland


Some pretty damning stuff IMO. Sick bugger.
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This hard drive alone seems to be a story telling machine on its own. I wonder why he didnt destroy it? He seems to have been pretty thorough about eliminating everything else.
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I wonder to what extent they can use his search history. Is it to paint a picture for the jury? Because I can't imagine it's admissible as evidence to prove premeditation (even though it definitely points to that).
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This hard drive alone seems to be a story telling machine on its own. I wonder why he didnt destroy it? He seems to have been pretty thorough about eliminating everything else.
Ego maybe.

Maybe he thought with that amount of preparation and planning that he would get away with it. So he kept the hard drive as a trophy or his own personal murder porn.
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I wonder to what extent they can use his search history. Is it to paint a picture for the jury? Because I can't imagine it's admissible as evidence to prove premeditation (even though it definitely points to that).
Clearly a lot of planning went into these heinous crimes based on the evidence thus far. I don't see why the evidence found through search vehicles on the hard drive would not be admissible for premeditation, particularly the portions pertaining to the specific lock on the door.
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Clearly a lot of planning went into these heinous crimes based on the evidence thus far. I don't see why the evidence found through search vehicles on the hard drive would not be admissible for premeditation, particularly the portions pertaining to the specific lock on the door.
I guess I was just imagining some weird scenario where I searched something like the speed at which a person/vehicle collision kills, impact rating of a certain car, how to repair bumper/paint damage on specific car, then I accidentally hit and kill someone with that car and they use it to upgrade the charge to murder based on premeditation.

I know his is a lot more specific and horrible, but that's more or less why I was curious to what level it could actually be used.
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Document found on the hard drive. "25 most brutal torture techniques ever devised," #Garland
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as I was reading about some of the stuff found on his computer and I could not help but wonder if garland took any photos of what he did given his "apparent" interest in human death and suffering.

of course I am assuming that he is guilty.
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as I was reading about some of the stuff found on his computer and I could not help but wonder if garland took any photos of what he did given his "apparent" interest in human death and suffering.

of course I am assuming that he is guilty.
I'm starting to really think that the reason they are even going through this trial is just because this scum wants to relive the whole thing and rub it in the families faces even more.
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I guess I was just imagining some weird scenario where I searched something like the speed at which a person/vehicle collision kills, impact rating of a certain car, how to repair bumper/paint damage on specific car, then I accidentally hit and kill someone with that car and they use it to upgrade the charge to murder based on premeditation.

I know his is a lot more specific and horrible, but that's more or less why I was curious to what level it could actually be used.
I know several authors across a couple different genres. Some of the things that they've googled...
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I'm starting to really think that the reason they are even going through this trial is just because this scum wants to relive the whole thing and rub it in the families faces even more.
They are going through with it because the defense feel that there is enough reasonable doubt and lack of hard evidence that a guilty plea wasn't the best approach.

The Crown has a ton of circumstantial evidence right now, but what they have presented so far doesn't conclusively place him in the home even.. Would you plead guilty to a crime that they can't even place you at?
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Based on the evidence led to date and that alluded to in the Crown opening, this case doesn't look to me like a one-off killer at work or a personal grudge or crime of passion. It looks much more consistent with the work of a serial killer.

I bet the police are still looking into possible ties to other unsolved murder cases as this trial unfolds.
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I guess I was just imagining some weird scenario where I searched something like the speed at which a person/vehicle collision kills, impact rating of a certain car, how to repair bumper/paint damage on specific car, then I accidentally hit and kill someone with that car and they use it to upgrade the charge to murder based on premeditation.

I know his is a lot more specific and horrible, but that's more or less why I was curious to what level it could actually be used.
Maybe a lawyer can weigh in on this type of stuff, but it really does seem like it can prejudice the jury pretty significantly. I know I've watched shows like Homeland or 24 or other crime shows and looked up things like C4 or certain chemical weapons agents after out of curiosity to see if it was portrayed accurately.

Heck, I think twice about typing "How to get away with Murder" into my search bar, because it is a TV show I've watched.

I'd think you can paint a pretty grim picture of almost anyone based on their internet search history.
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